6OT tang stamp variation

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Bob W

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I have 6OT Old Timer Golden Bear lockbacks with two different tang stamps.

SCHRADE+
USA 6OT

SCHRADE+
USA 6-OT

The difference being the dash between the "6" and the "OT".

The first knife has a nylon sheath, is packaged in the blue/lt-gray box, and has paperwork coyrighted 2002.

The second knife (with the dash) has a leather sheath and carmel-colored box (no paperwork).

Obviously they are both relatively recent production, as evident by the "Schrade+." But why did Schrade add the dash to the stamp on the 6OT? I haven't seen any other Old Timers marked that way. Perhaps an effort to end the habit of confusing the 'Oh' with a zero?

I searched the forum, but haven't seen this discussed anywhere before.

Also, were there any 6OT knives made pre-dating the SCHRADE+ stamp?

-Bob
 
I haven't seen any other Old Timers marked that way.
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At least until tonight. Upon closer inspection, I've found that my 7OT has the same dash...

Now to hunt eBay for a non-dash 7OT! There's always something...

-Bob
 
We need to see these gents! I just checked my own examples of 6OT and 7OT, and neither has the dash between the letters.

For many collectors, different tangstamp variations hold no meaning or allure. They are quite content to have the one example of a pattern. As for myself, I find them intrigueing as a coin collector does the many minor die variations on their coins.

Quite often, with enough investigation, the minor tang stamp die changes point to other manufacturing changes which coincide with them. Such as stock thickness, grinds, and even metal changes. My best examples are with the fixed blades 15OT, 152OT, and 165OT, and their UH variants. It helps immensely to be able to associate the tang stamp changes to changes in the packaging and papers, the most easily dated portion of a complete knife assembly.

To my engineering oriented mind, the evolution of a pattern is much more interesting than a single example of a pattern. At some point in the future, I'll likely be finding myself moving a substantial portion of my single examples out of my collection in order to further gather variants of the few patterns which interest me the most. So far those are, besides the three rigid blades mentioned, the 897UH pattern, the LB7 pattern, and the 34OT pattern. Not too surprisingly, all of these were Schrade's long time top sellers, and spawned the most variants and SFO's as well.

Michael
 
Interesting tang stamp difference..
As far as I know, all 6OT's are stamped Schrade +. Course this is only as far as I know...
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TTYL
Larry
 
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The non-dash stamp dates from 2002-2004. I don't have a good guess on the other.

The 7OT with the dash is stamped just like the 6OT. Unfortunately though, my 7 is a loose knife with no packaging or paperwork.

For many collectors, different tangstamp variations hold no meaning or allure. They are quite content to have the one example of a pattern. As for myself, I find them intrigueing as a coin collector does the many minor die variations on their coins.
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I have hit a virtual wall, a wall created by pricing and availability, with trying to collect each Old Timer pattern so now I've expanded into collecting variations. It seems there's always one more...

At some point in the future, I'll likely be finding myself moving a substantial portion of my single examples out of my collection in order to further gather variants of the few patterns which interest me the most... 34OT pattern.
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The 34OT is a pet of mine as well, being the first knife I ever owned. So far I have five variations, including three different tang stamps, and I know there are more.

As far as I know, all 6OT's are stamped Schrade +. Course this is only as far as I know.
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Thanks for the info. :)

-Bob
 
The 'caramel colored box', I call it tan, dates from 1985/6 at the earliest, and Clemente says the 6OT appeared in the catalogs in 1995. The boxes went to the bluestripe design in 2001. So the knife with the dash (1995-2000) predates the one without (2003-2004). See? Progress already! It might be further narrowed by the logos and slogans appearing on the box. I have a rough idea from their appearances in ads and catalogs, and on copyrighted insert sheets. Need to see some in the blue striped box (2001-2002).

As for the 7-OT, it is tempting to say they are contemporaries, but we need to see more. I had to buy a dozen LB7's to figure this stuff out for that pattern, and I am still not done. Every time I think I've got it pegged, more inconsistancies pop up.

Heck guys, anybody can toss enough lettuce out there to get one-of-each. But that is missing the fun of the hunt for the story behind the knives!

Michael
 
To help narrow the age of the 6OT with the dash, the carmel-colored box does have the "A Sharp Idea" logo.

I'd guess that the 7OT dash years match the 6OT dash years, but I have no evidence of this.

-Bob
 
Hello all. I have two NIB 6ot's. Both are in black/tan boxes. One has 6-OT and the other 6OT. The one with the dash has an American flag center/right side and " a sharp idea" and the one without the dash has " Canada works with schrade" with a Canadian maple leaf beside, also on the end flap 6OT over Golden Bear over Lockback over " Dos verrouillable ". Both tan/black boxes but the Canadian one is a BIT lighter coloured tan.
 
Nope. :D

Ya know, if I had a duplicate we could probably work out a trade. But alas this is my only 7OT...

-Bob
 
mhunter-51 said:
Hello all. I have two NIB 6ot's. Both are in black/tan boxes. One has 6-OT and the other 6OT. The one with the dash has an American flag center/right side and " a sharp idea" and the one without the dash has " Canada works with schrade" with a Canadian maple leaf beside, also on the end flap 6OT over Golden Bear over Lockback over " Dos verrouillable ". Both tan/black boxes but the Canadian one is a BIT lighter coloured tan.
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Now you tell me I can find Schrades with Maple Leaves. The hunt starts anew. Although I'm a native of Pennsyltucky, the Canadian North Country holds a special part of me.
 
Eyegor said:
Now you tell me I can find Schrades with Maple Leaves. The hunt starts anew. Although I'm a native of Pennsyltucky, the Canadian North Country holds a special part of me.
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I thought everyone knew about these! Well, there were special Ducks Unlimited Canada knives too. And the stampede knives. :D
 
Were the boxes with French writing done for Wal-Mart in Canada? I thought I read that somewhere.
 
Not specifically for anyone I don't think. I believe they were just the Canadian version. I bought this one at a gun shop a couple years ago. Both of mine are Schrade+ by the way. I also have a couple other models with Canadian/french labels on.
 
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