850 Bravo

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This is not a favorable review. Let me preface it by simply stating that I have never bought a knive that was more of a let down than this one. I am exceedingly happy with my other Bucks - all of them are keepers. Sure, I did get a BCCI BG-42 110 that had some QC issues - and they replaced it - in October. That was a first for me.

The knife is an oddball to begin with. It looked like an interesting conversation piece - that could also be a great EDC. The blade metal, 154CM, certainly can't be faulted. If you don't like the odd grind, you probably didn't need to buy the knife in the first place. The construction, howeever, can be faulted. The SS frames are held together by staked spacers - fast and easy to mass produce. If the frames aren't held tightly together, the stepped spacer held flat against the frames, daylight will be seen between the spacers and the frame. Additionally, the staking process leaves a bit of metal above the frame sides - which will keep the G10 scales from laying flat. The final indignation - the clip screws - and especially those in the other side's holes - are too long - and further push that end of the G10 scales away from the frame. Also, the frame is spaced by those stepped spacers - and the blade & copper washers. If the frame sides are canted - the blade will drag. My first one drug on the non-bevel side - and was dull. My second one was more centered - and shaving sharp. Too bad the vendor had to eat the Priority Mail costs to and from his store to replace my really defective first one.

So - interesting idea - poorly executed. I've had two examples, as I said, and both exhibited the same problems, the second one having the blade better centered. Please note - the angle of the blade changes as the pivot screw is tightened... that shouldnt change appreciably. The frame can't be parallel with the spacers not fully seated. Oddly, it looks like the pocket clip screws go into a trio of threaded brass nuts imbedded in the G10 - that's first class.

Comparing this to a 279 I have, and I bought three others of that model several years back as gifts, the 279, which now has an MSRP of $80 vs the $126 of the 850, is far better made. The blade pivot screw doesn't pass through the scales and change the blade angle, either. A similar cost to the 850 new Buck, my 005RWS, for example, is a far better value for the money spent. Hard to believe the same company made the 850 - and my 408, 419, & 005RWS. I would consider carefully any planned 850 Bravo purchase - and certainly try to buy it from a store, where you could look it over carefully. If you do so, you'll likely carry something else home. Yeah, I am not well pleased with this one at all.

Stainz
 
Stainz, I live in Post Falls - send me an e-mail when you get a chance. Maybe I can help out.
 
I was looking very interestingly at one of these and thought I'd check here for reviews, anyone have any better luck with these on the forums? This is WAY more than I would normally spend on a knife but I do like this knife and company so I'd like some opinions both positive and negative as well. I hope this isn't a trend for Buck as I generally like their quality and have carried a Folding Alpha Hunter when not weighed down by other gear.
 
...I hope this isn't a trend for Buck...

Frankenfurter -

There are far more negative reviews here than positive ones. Buck even encourages this, the idea being to identify problem areas. So the vast majority of people on this site don't have much negative to say... :)

Then, there's the minority...like me... :D
 
Stainz...I am checking this from a remote location so will have a sit down with an engineer tomorrow and run over the issues you raised. I am disappointed you were not satisfied with the end product. The Bravo was designed to take abuse and keep on ticking, from the choice of materials to the blade grind. I will post my discussion with the engineer.
 
Keep in mind - the 850 Bravo is the only Buck I have been disgusted with... it's a real oddity for Bucks, in my experience. I cannot think of another Buck I have that does not bring a smile to my face. It really is a shocker - and how it passed muster is another good question. I like the idea of the knife - the grind - the blade metal. The scales are a great idea - if properly thought out, and either thicker to accomodate the pocket clip screws, or shorter screws. Dishing it out where the staked spacers protrude would help, too. For greatest blade strength/parallel mounting, having the pivot screw butt up on metal frames would be far better than the G10 scales. My analysis... pass it on.

Stainz
 
Thanks everyone I was hoping to find amiable help here. I think I'll start saving my pennies for this one and let you all know what I think when I FINALLY get one.
 
I forwarded this thread to the engineers for review after a quick discussion today and I asked them to respond
 
I have to eat a little crow here. The frames have a ~3/8" hole right where the clip screws would bear. Shine a light through from the non-liner-lock side and you can see three points of light, so I assume that isn't a problem. With those screws out, the scales still are held proud of the frames - those burrs on the staked spacer ends protrude and hold the scales up. It would seem like an easy 'patch' - relieve the scales where the staked spacer ends protrude.

Stainz
 
Well, I still have a Christmas gift for my son, that new 850 Bravo, that is something less than the quality I would normally associate with Buck. I still haven't heard from anyone re the problem of the G10 scales being held above the frame by the spacer burrs. Replacement scales, suitably relieved where the pins would bear, and screws would fix this problem. Note: I returned the first example the vendor sold me due to additional blade problems. Also note, my last BCCI 110 bought in October directly from Buck had operational and obvious cosmetic defects, causing me to spend $10+ to ship it back. I really don't want to invest anymore in this knife, it has been less than satisfactory. My initial thought was it was tacti-cool, a good blade material, and different - certainly something 'different' for my corporate pilot son for Christmas.

After ordering that second BCCI 110 supposedly for him, he announced he had enough 110s and really didn't like them. Darn, I'd have to keep it - and have one for EDC! Of course, then I had to send it back for replacement. At least they still had a good one - and I got it. It hasn't been the most impressive fall around here for new Bucks. Last fall, with those Kalinga Pros, may have spoiled me. Even the last winter's Gen5s were a hit, as were the CPM154 Vanguard and Nightguard from this autumn. Sink or swim, it seems.
Had to vent - the season is here and I need another goody for my 'little boy' - who turns 39 in January! They are always your 'little boys'!

Merry Christmas!

Stainz

PS Sorry for the venting...
 
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