888 Solution

blue8

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Ok. I got an 888 Solution because there is no way I can afford or justify a true Strider knife. This was intended to be my ultimate camp/ survivial knife, with survival being cutting wood for shelters, fires and other "one knife saves your butt" kind of things. Well, tonight I had a use for the Solution...
Cut a three inch thick piece of oak for timber. I began chopping the wood, and within the first five strikes, a chip came away from the blade like some one used a half dollar sized hammer to hit the blade and I did not even notice that the blade had broken below the handle. WTF!!! I thought that these things would be up to something like this. I babied this knife like it was priceless until I finally decided to give it a little workout. I figured why own it if I wasn't going to actually use it. Well, I had read the review here http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/solution.html after I puchased it and was a bit afraid to use it for fear it would break. I found tonight that those fears were justified. I can't believe i paid even half of what it goes for, and just want to make sure that any one who is considering one of these knows that it is probably not up to anything other than a display item. We're talking ATS-34. Most of my knives are 440C, AUS 6, Titanium, H-1, and S30V. I am not even sure what good this knife might be or what kind of circumstance you would find yourself in that this would be a good knife to have. I guess it should be counted on as a 1 time use kind of knife and if you get two uses out of it you are lucky. Let me quote something from Bucks own website. "Buck's rugged Tactical knives are engineered for trained professionals in military; law enforcement; fire, search & rescue, first response, and survival, as well as other demanding situations where "failure is not an option." Each Buck Tactical knife (also referred to as survival knife) is designed for rapid deployment and is manufactured with materials that are virtually indestructible." :jerkit: If this seems like a rant, well it is. I'm out a 200 dollar+knife, and don't have much faith in something i was ready to depend on. Even if Buck would replace this knife, I don't know that I would care to have another one. I'm not in the military, police, and have no plans to shove this thing into someones skull, but if my life depended on a knife, I think that I'd think twice before buying one of these.:grumpy:
Just as an example, I have a BM Fecas Gamer, $24.00. I used a log on a camping trip to hammer logs into tinder with the BM and only suffered streaks of wood from the log on the metal which cleaned off with a sponge. I am typically a Spyderco person myself with 50% of my knives being Spydies. 2nd place is BM, and third being CRKT. I had a Buck once before and didn't see it as anything better than something you could use to cut a tangle of gum out of a childs hair. I am ... Geeeeesh! Swallowing this loss is hard!!! I'll stop now, but beware if you think this knife is reliable!!!! I urge you to read the review listed above before you buy one of these!!!
ALAN
 
We had an early run that had a stress fracture in the area that you are describing where the chip happened. We thought we had caught them all, but it it possible that a few got out. If you send it in to me, I will get you a replacement from current stock. It really is a reliable knife, and we have chopped up lots of things including a metal folding chair with it. We also took a couple and bent them almost 5 inches before the blade broke.

Thanks,

Jeff
 
That sounds good. I was debating on whether to send this thing back or not. I suppose your with Buck, and that's where I should send it. I've got the box and paperwork for it. Should I send the Sheath and everything or just the knife remnants. Also, do you need my reciept as I have it too. Thank you for responding to this also. It takes a bit of the disappointment away.
Alan
 
Alan,
Yes, I'm the Quality Supervisor here at Buck. I'd like to see the break, so if you send it back, I'll take care of you. I don't need the sheath or paperwork.

Buck Knives
ATTN: Jeff Hubbard
660 S Lochsa ST
Post Falls, ID 83854

Thank you,

Jeff
 
Atta Boy Jeff!!!!! I knew they kept you around for good reasons..... :p :p :p

BTW.....


Merry Christmas!!!
:D ;) :D
 
It is exactly this HONEST commitment to quality and customer support that makes me a Buck fan. :thumbup: Flaws will always happen in any manufacturing process, but the willingness to correct them and the willingness to stand by their word is rapidly becomming a thing of the past among most companies. It really allows one to buy a Buck knife with confidence knowing that it is what Buck says it is.
 
Too true. It is that trend that made me feel like there ws no point in trying to send this in. I was choping a small branch of wood and was certain that i would get a this knife wasn't made for choping kind of reply, but i was happily wrong. I am going to send it tonight as my wife and I have packages to ship this evening. I may become a Buck fan yet.:D
 
I am very impressed but not surprised. What a class company. Every business has a product or two that is not up to snuff, even Lexus or Buck. It's what they do about it that matters. Great stuff.
 
Well, it was a scrub oak. I live down here at the coast and these things are pretty rampant. I had a small one in the back yard that had been cut down but the stump was left and tried to grow back. My wife wanted to move it to the side of our yard to help block the neighbors yard from view in a blank spot. I dug it up and moved it with as much root system as I could to the side. It didn't make it though. It was only about three inches wide in the trunk where i gave it a few shots before the chip. I decided to just try a few more hacks since in my opinion the knife was a goner. when I drew back for another swing I heard the blade sliding in the handle. Next thing I knew, there were three separate pieces. I would guess I was pretty lucky that on that last back swing, the blade fell back behind me and not up directly above my head. The little tree had a few chunks gone, but the depth that the blade reached wasn't too terribly deep. The wood seemed harder than a living piece of wood. I think that Jeff is right about the defect though, as the blade cracked where the handle screwed together, but I'm no expert. There were definitely uncomfortable shocks coming through that handle kind of like swinging a bat, but I definitely like the feel of that handle. As for the Chainsaw, I have an electric with maybe an 18" to 20" blade, but I was just tired of feeling scared of using this knife and decided that I'd try it on wood. The remnants of this little tree seemed like a good representation of a size and type of thing I would find and use for firewood, shelter, etc. I think with all honesty I can say that I will never find my self in a situation where I would need to do these things, but i'm not foolish enough to not consider it.;) Actually, I'd love to hear from anyone who has an 888 solution as to what they have or would use theirs for. Kind of real world accounts of what they use theirs for. Not really the "took a door off a Ford just to see if I could with it" but realistic use of your knife.
 
blue8 said:
Well, it was a scrub oak. I live down here at the coast and these things are pretty rampant. I had a small one in the back yard that had been cut down but the stump was left and tried to grow back. My wife wanted to move it to the side of our yard to help block the neighbors yard from view in a blank spot. I dug it up and moved it with as much root system as I could to the side. It didn't make it though. It was only about three inches wide in the trunk where i gave it a few shots before the chip. I decided to just try a few more hacks since in my opinion the knife was a goner. when I drew back for another swing I heard the blade sliding in the handle. Next thing I knew, there were three separate pieces. I would guess I was pretty lucky that on that last back swing, the blade fell back behind me and not up directly above my head. The little tree had a few chunks gone, but the depth that the blade reached wasn't too terribly deep. The wood seemed harder than a living piece of wood. I think that Jeff is right about the defect though, as the blade cracked where the handle screwed together, but I'm no expert. There were definitely uncomfortable shocks coming through that handle kind of like swinging a bat, but I definitely like the feel of that handle. As for the Chainsaw, I have an electric with maybe an 18" to 20" blade, but I was just tired of feeling scared of using this knife and decided that I'd try it on wood. The remnants of this little tree seemed like a good representation of a size and type of thing I would find and use for firewood, shelter, etc. I think with all honesty I can say that I will never find my self in a situation where I would need to do these things, but i'm not foolish enough to not consider it.;) Actually, I'd love to hear from anyone who has an 888 solution as to what they have or would use theirs for. Kind of real world accounts of what they use theirs for. Not really the "took a door off a Ford just to see if I could with it" but realistic use of your knife.

The only thing I have to say to you is I hope you learned something about bashing a company or it's product, prior to giving them a chance to make things right. Don't forget what they say about assuming things, as you we're guilty of here.
 
Yeah, I was a bit harsh, but all I had to go on was my experience and the review that practically mirrored my experience. The only other review of this knife I can find is of a soldier cleaning his fingernails and making gumbo. I still have the same concerns about this knife, and don't want to be afraid to use this knife. I certainly don't want to chop apart a metal chair, or bend it in half. Just cut things that hand held blades are made for. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on this knife. As for Buck's customer service, it is top notch so far. I never challenged it. I had no intentions of getting it replaced by posting this, just make sure that people who want one know that there could be issues as mine suffered catastrophic failure under nominal use and it is not the only time. As someone who is in management, I know how Jeff would probably like to tell me what I can do with my knife from what I said, and the fact that he didn't just shows the quality of the people Buck employs. If I'm wrong I can admit it, but so far I don't feel the guilt your probably looking for.
 
blue8 said:
Yeah, I was a bit harsh, but all I had to go on was my experience and the review that practically mirrored my experience. The only other review of this knife I can find is of a soldier cleaning his fingernails and making gumbo. I still have the same concerns about this knife, and don't want to be afraid to use this knife. I certainly don't want to chop apart a metal chair, or bend it in half. Just cut things that hand held blades are made for. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on this knife. As for Buck's customer service, it is top notch so far. I never challenged it. I had no intentions of getting it replaced by posting this, just make sure that people who want one know that there could be issues as mine suffered catastrophic failure under nominal use and it is not the only time. As someone who is in management, I know how Jeff would probably like to tell me what I can do with my knife from what I said, and the fact that he didn't just shows the quality of the people Buck employs. If I'm wrong I can admit it, but so far I don't feel the guilt your probably looking for.

"As for Buck's customer's service, it is top notch so far. I never challenged it."
You never challenged it because you never gave them a chance in the first place. Which was my point. Being in management yourself, I guess you we're just going with the mindset of how you or your company would handle a customer complaint. :rolleyes: Maybe you'll learn something yet from all of this.
"If I'm wrong I can admit it......
Then again, maybe not.
 
What was it they say about assuming??
 
i have a buck/strider 880sp and its got the same ats34 steel as the solution and iv used mine to hack 2-3 inch branches off of trees and its a folder.
 
How thick is it in the blade area?? The Solution seems quite thin. I don't know how ATS-34 performs. I can't seem to find many knives out there without Paul Bos heat treating and based on that alone I can only surmise that it is going to make this steel better, but how. Does he make ATS-34 (a brittle steel?) tougher, or harder or both, or even reduce the brittleness?
 
Its 3/16 thick. Bos treated ATS-34 is great, its still very tough even at 59-61 hrc.

My only complaint about my solution is the sheath. The kydex liner is not molded and offers no retention at all that blade is free to wobble around in it. The snap holds well, so well that it takes both hands to disengage it.....
 
blue8 said:
What was it they say about assuming??

Good comeback. Sounds about right coming from someone who doesn't try & handle a problem the correct way (as in contacting the company.....DUHHHH) because of his assumptions. Anything else???
 
Merry Christmas Mick57.:)

I've definitely broken in the strap snap to where it flicks open cleanly and easily but is still secure. I too want to do something about the rattle but I don't think removing the liner is a good idea. That blade is sharp and would probably shred it from the inside out. 3/16" is the blade edge area right?
IIRC The spine is somewhere close to .25". I have no doubt that that is a strong thick piece of metal, but how come it snapped. I now wish I had taken pictures to show the break.
 
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