I have worked with an old boy building houses since the late seventies and he always used a Case four blade knife something like a stockman. Well this week we were working and I looked on the box hes working on and WOW 8OT. Guess youre a knife nut when knifes get your attention rather than any thing else. He let me see it and he said it would not hold an edge compared to his old Case but he had worn it out. First imported Old Timer I have seen and what a bummer they are gone you could see it with your eyes closed it was junk. Well I think I can get him a 34OT from the feed store Im going to go check.