A bit about Ulster

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In October of 1940, after having worked for the Kastors for some eighteen years, Albert Baer left Camillus Cutlery under a cloud. Alfred Kastor and his brother Robert had worked hard to force Albert out, alas after he had acquired considerable stocks and run the company during Alfred’s illness.

Albert, downcast and understandably puzzled at the turn of events, emptied his office of papers, memorabilia and furniture, and took a taxi ride around Central Park. Over, and over, and over again, mulling his options. Having been the General Sales Manager of Camillus, he had a hard time conceiving himself answering to a boss again. He referred to this as having been “so long a lion on my own”. He made a list of his former competitors, and resolved to see if he could buy one, though he had no idea how.

This was how Albert Baer operated from the beginning. He would get it in his head to do a thing, figure out how to do it best, give it 110%, then succeed beyond his wildest dreams. At age sixteen, as he was about to graduate, DeWitt Clinton High School, class of ‘22, his Uncle Sim, the family patriarch fell suddenly ill and soon died. Albert gave up his plans for college to help support his family. His first job of any consequence was for J.L. Somers Faucet Company in Newark, N.J. selling faucets and bungs for casks.

Sound like a dead-end job? Wait a bit.

1922 was deep in the “prohibition”. On January 16, 1920, the Eighteenth Amendment went into effect prohibiting all importing, exporting, transporting, selling, and manufacturing of intoxicating liquor. One of the few exemptions ruled by the Supreme Court was for small amounts of home made wine or beer for personal consumption, and hardware stores did a land office business in barrels, wooden faucets, hygrometers, filters, and other implements of home brewing.

Albert had no assigned territory (the world was his oyster), and he would walk from store to store selling the Somers wooden faucets. An inventive young man, he soon developed a “trick”, “gag”, or “schtick” as we might call it. He would suck on a faucet and walk into the store with it stuck to his upper lip. It did get him attention, and the attention got him sales. Soon, his salesmanship had earned him, via a 5% commission, an income of about $100 a week, a large sum for a young man in 1922, and he was the chief breadwinner of the family.

Back to the Ulster story:

Albert’s list included Schrade, Dwight Devine, Ekco and Utica. He visited them all. Walter Matt, son of F. X. Matt of Utica Brewery offered him a job and he was tempted. While he was deliberating, a “poison pen” letter from Alfred Kastor had reached Walter Matt, so that deal was no longer open. This was not the case with C.D. Devine of Ulster. Mr. Devine confided that his family was considering closing the company, and after much negotiation, Albert made an appointment on the13th of December 1940, to drive up to Ellenville with his wife, Helene, and daughters Betsy and Margie. In the daughter’s words, the factory "Looked like a cellar." Albert decided without a doubt that this was what he wanted to do, if only he could come up with the money. He notified the Devines of his intent to buy before the end of the year. In mid January, he spoke with buyers including Hibbard, Spencer Bartlett, and on the 17th signed a purchase agreement with the Devines. They turned over management of the business and gave him an option to buy them out over a period of years. The Board of directors consisted of C.D. Devine, Chairman, Albert Baer, President and Treasurer, Harry Aaron, Vice President, and Henry Baer as Secretary. Also on the Board were John Devine and Albert's wife, Helene Baer.

While making an aborted effort to try to buy the assets of Remington who was getting out of the cutlery business, another cutlery decided to sell out, Landers, Frary & Clark, and Albert bought all of the steel and metals that Landers had on hand for 2 cents a pound. This was a crucial purchase because steel was in short supply as were all metals since the defense program was in full swing.
After a quick remodeling of the factory offices, some hasty repairs of the blanking presses, they began making knives with twenty-five employees. Albert’s old buyers came in soon to view his factory and place orders. More angst from the Kastors, as these were some of their major accounts. Sears and Hibbard, Spencer Bartlett being two of the largest.
Soon they had 300 employees, a union problem, and nothing to ship because they were building up work in process. The first knives they made were the Official Boy Scout knives. They also made some for W. R. Case at that time.
One lifesaver was the fact that Ulster in 1912* had been granted the license to make the Boy Scout knives with the Boy Scout Emblem on the handle. Albert later capitalized on this by putting into the government specifications the requirements of an Official Boy Scout Knife (Mil-K-818). This gave them the right to get a priority and the right to continue to produce when civillian cutlery was extremely restricted to conserve needed war metals.



1925

Codger

ETA: From Albert Baer's memoirs. Actual date of the BSA Ulster license is said today to be circa 1923.
 
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I sure am enjoying these stories, Codger. Keep 'em coming!!
 
Another good one, Codger. I guess I'm going to have to try and track down a biography on Albert Baer. His sounds like quite the story. Any suggestions?
 
There is not one that I am aware of. Yet. Did you know that he was an early unofficial ambassador to Japan? That he moved in circles that included Eisenhower, the DUponts, Ralph Bunche, J. Kenneth Galbraith, John D. Rockefeller III? That he was largely responsible for the founding and financing of the International Heart Association? That he was a banjo picker? That he gave out novelty knives everywhere he went like Rockefeller gave out dimes? That he was a key participant in the Arden House conferences of the First American Assembly on May 23, 1951, a thinktank of industrial movers and shakers who were in part responsible for Eisenhower's election?

Codger :D
 
Very Interesting Codger! :thumbup: :thumbup:
I didn't know about the connection with Landers, Frey & Clark. The reason that is is so interesting to me is that I recently got one of their knives in a lot buy. I found it to be well made and of good carbon steel. Since then I have picked up a few more. Now I find that there is a connection (whoever slight) with the Baer family! :cool:

Now the focus of my collecting is again shifting. I was focused mainly on Schrade and still collect them. I personally prefer the regular production knives and not so much the special editions. I have added in Imperial and all their other brand names, Hammer Brand, Diamond Edge, Frontier, Jack-Master, Kamp King, etc.

Of course, I have been collecting Ulsters for some time. Now Codger's research has added Kingston to the mix & this info about L F & C gives me an excuse to collect them also.

With the current situation at Camillus I have made them a priority.

Hummmm...........Codger your research is expensive......to me! :D

Dale
 
So Dale, are you saying that you don't want to know about the factories in England, France, and Germany? Or maybe you meant the one in Mexico. Or am I entirely missing your point and you want me to not write about the knives made for the other U.S. buyers like Abercrombie & Fitch, Hibbard Spencer Bartlett, Tryon in Philadelphia, Spreey & Alexander, J. C. Margolis, Abraham & Straus, Shapleigh Hardware in St. Louis, Woolworth, Kresge, and Montgomery Ward, Marshall Wells, Radoff Bros. of Houston??

Codger :D
 
Michael,
You are Soooooooooooooooooo Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wives across America, nay wives around the world will be posting a bounty on you and hiring hit persons (notice how I kept that pc?) in teams to take you out.:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


PLEASE CODGER, TELL US MORE.

Seriously, Radoff Bros. of Houston????? I haven't heard of them........please do tell.
Do you have a list of all the companies Associated with the Bears? And a list of all the companies they made knives for? Please share! :thumbup: :D
 
Albert and Henry Baer were friends with many of their competitors and considered them peers and equals, though rivalry was expected. During a lunch with Emerson Case of Robeson Cutlery in Perry, New York, the conversation naturally turned to the state of affairs of material procurement and the necessity of government contract procurement in order to get materials. This was a then common quandary that all manufacturers were now finding themselves in. Albert and Case had known each other since his days with Kinfolks. Case asked in passing what Baer thought of a certain “Lieutenant Baker” in Jersey City trying to buy knives for the government with only a “B” priority, since at the time only contracts with an “A” priority would allow manufacturers to get materials and equipment. Albert didn’t let on that he was unaware of Baker’s name, or that there was even a procurement office in Jersey.

After finishing the conversation and meal, and parting with Emerson, Albert made a bee-line for Jersey City to look up Baker. I think in today’s lingo, we would say his “spider senses were tingling”. He might have said he "smelled an opportunity to make himself an opportunity."

Lieutenant Bert Baker was the one surprised when Albert Baer of Ulster came calling, after all, it was he, Baker, who spent his time looking for factories who would / could accept his orders with such a low priority. Baer suggested they visit a higher up in the command and get the priority upgraded. And so Major Gibbin was consulted, and Baer laid out his reasoning for an upgrade in the priority status of Baker’s procurement orders. While some of the knives were for armed forces use, many were intended as barter for the offloading of supply ships in foreign ports. After hearing and considering Baer’s story, Gibbins was on the phone with the Quartermaster General’s procurement staff, and secured an upgrade from priority “B” to priority “A”, and this meant that Ulster could bid on the Jersey orders as well as any other service branch orders. As an aside, the person on the other end of the phone was none other than one of Albert Baer’s friends in the OQG, Lewis Dement.

Was this guy a creative go-getter or not? Wait... it get’s better!!

Codger
 
Now the focus of my collecting is again shifting. I was focused mainly on Schrade and still collect them. I personally prefer the regular production knives and not so much the special editions. I have added in Imperial and all their other brand names, Hammer Brand, Diamond Edge, Frontier, Jack-Master, Kamp King, etc.

Of course, I have been collecting Ulsters for some time. Now Codger's research has added Kingston to the mix & this info about L F & C gives me an excuse to collect them also.

With the current situation at Camillus I have made them a priority.

Hummmm...........Codger your research is expensive......to me! :D

Dale
Dale,
If you run out of storage space for those knives,I have lots of room.

Michael,
Sounds like there will be several chapters on Albert.Very interesting and well-written.

Forum Members,
If any of you are in need of a good buddy or companion,Dale has a slew of nice puppies.:thumbup: :D
I think they come pre-named,though - Sharpfinger,61OT,Uncle Henry,Muskrat,etc.:)

This forum sure isn't the same,with all of the old regulars on vacation!:grumpy: :(

Hunting season starts soon and I have a lot of guns that need checked out at the range,so I haven't been on here much lately.
Ron
 
Welllllllll Codger................give us the better! :D :D :D :D When you get to it of course. :D

Ron,
I am afraid my wife named the puppies before I had a chance. There is Jake who is with his new family. Cloe is with her new family (they named her). We still have Max, Josie & Samantha. We will keep either Samantha or Josie, don't know which one yet. We still have a couple people interested in them, so we may sell of all of them without any advertising.



Left to right:
Cloe, Josie, Max, Samantha, & Jake.

If you want one let me know. They are pure bread Lhasa Apso. If you want Max we will change his name to Uncle Henry (for forum content). :D

Dale
 
Ive added a Ulster and Kingston section at
www.Collectors-of-Schrades-R.us
Working on updating the Frontiers next.
keep watching.
Larry

Larry just updated his site with an Ulster gallery as well as a Kingston gallery. He has posted this link in the sticky up top, but I thought I might also tack it on here in the Lhaso..er...Ulster thread!:D

It is worth your time to check them out!

Codger
 
So far, we've discussed and looked at examples of four of IKAC's companies, Schrade Walden, Imperial, Ulster, and Kingston. There is at least one more U.S. factory in the Imperial group we've not discussed, and I will hold it until I've obtained at least one good example.

Codger
 
After finishing his meeting with Baker and Gibbins, as he was about to leave, Baker asked him how many knives he could deliver a day. Albert told him that he could fill the contract if he was allowed to subcontract with other factories to make the knives to his specifications, provided they were all delivered first to Ellenville to be sharpened, cleaned and inspected. He came away with the contract, and upon arriving back at his office and explaining the transaction to his brother, Henry agreed it was an excellent idea.

First he enlisted Felix Mirando in Providence, and Louis Schrade in Walden, then Russ Case in Bradford. Then, in a move that was pure hutzpah and a dash of audacity thrown in, he met once again with Emerson Case who was still in New York City. Emerson agreed to provide 500 dozen knives every day day. Folks, that’s 6,000 knives a day. Albert quickly made his tally and judged that he was ready to take Barker’s Army order for one million knives!

Codger
 
Great reading. Shame that isn't a part of American History class. With the attitude about knives in school today that might not be considered good to study.

Orvet, looking at that picture, is that house around Sherwood, Oregon? Looks like a big old house I used to live in there. Same deck, doors and color.
 
Codger,
Great Story!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup:
If you tell me what the other knife company is, I may have a knife from it. :D



Amos,
It is in Salem OR, about 35-40 miles South of Sherwood.
 
.....Does that mean Ellenville had to sharpen,clean and inspect ONE MILLION KNIVES! Over what time frame Codger?Over 12 months working 10 hour days per 6 day week's thats 319 per hour or 5.3 per minute....amazing what a war effort can produce isn't it? Probably couldnt be achieved in peace time....Hoo Roo
 
Ditto for me Codger, I may have one - - -wait a minute, do I smell a very sophisticated GROVEL :eek: ??????? Clever, Codger, very clever!:thumbup: You almost had me!!!:D
 
Clean, inspect and sharpen a knife in less than 12 seconds????? I suspect they got a wave of the hand blessing as they were trans-shipped through the factory, and on to their destination!!
 
Don't assume that only one person was doing the operation. What if two hundred were? For arguement's sake, refigure the stats with 50 cutlers sharpening, 50 workers crinking, one hundred inspecting and packing in bulk cases.

The government set standards for sure, though at this point, they were standards of fit and function, not finish and appearance. There was little wasted time and energy processing this order, as other contracts were arriving with a vengence. Most were routed from the Office of the Quartermaster General (OQMG), through Jersey City, and Lewis Bement, former President of John Russell Cutlery. Not always. Some requests came more directly. Often it was an exercise in creativity to make the procurement orders fit the regulations laid down. One such order was from a Capt. Hamilton from Boston (Cold Climate Equipment Division of the Office of Quarter Master General) for a "ski knife". What the hell is a ski knife? Manufacture of civillian cutlery was forbidden! Albert did some cram research, and it was John Devine back at Ulster who recognized the pattern as a small (3 1/4") scout type knife with an recessed screwdriver added to the bail to adjust the metal strips on skis, and that it was a Cattaragus knife pattern made by Champlin. The standard size for a scout knife was 4 1/4", so this was the basis every other cutlery used in their bidding. Albert underbid them and got the contract knowing the difference in material usage allowed for a bigger profit still.
 
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