A couple scandi's from finland, and a question!

[EDDAKA]

Hey guys,

I'm currently in finland and have been picking one the prowl for some neat puukko's.

First trip tthe hardware store, and I found some martinni, and mora knock off's, and also the "hultafors" I've recently been hearing about it.

I just also had to pick up an axe

Yesterday we decided to go down to the helsinki harbor and look for some puukko's that some of the vendors usually sell along with furs and whatnot. I did find two that I liked and bought them.

Now for the question. when I got home I noticed these two scandi's have a secondry bevel? It's pretty promiment, and I bought these from two different sellers. Are makers now putting this secondary bevel on scandi knives?

To be honest I don't like it all. Now I can't sharpen them like I normally would with a scandi, which is why I like them and buy them. For their sharp edge and extreme ease in sharpening. These are very sharp knives no doubt, but i would like to know if their is a explanation for this.

Pictures of of what I have accumulated (so far...)

Hulatafors to a mora 511:

Continued....

 

[EDDAKA]

Odd secondary bevel:

Beautiful knife though! Reindeer horn with some leather spacers.

Says "Kauhavan Puukkopaja Finland"

Second knife:

Beautiful knife too. Birch with reindeer horn.

Wood jewel, finland.

I'm off to the Särkänniemen Huvipuisto (amusement park in Tampere)


Any help would be appreciated, thanks
-Richard.

 

[wuluf]

I bought that same axe at an Ace Hardware in California!

 

[Dagon]

FYI there is a Martiini factory story in Helsinki,if that's where you are.
Also, in the main shopping street (not far from the martiini shop) there is well known big store (sorry, forgot the name) that sells about everything, on one of the higher floors there is the sports department and there you can buy Roselli knives. Do try a Roselli Carpenter, possibly even in the very hard UHC carbon steel.

 

[EDDAKA]

FYI there is a Martiini factory story in Helsinki,if that's where you are.
Also, in the main shopping street (not far from the martiini shop) there is well known big store (sorry, forgot the name) that sells about everything, on one of the higher floors there is the sports department and there you can buy Roselli knives. Do try a Roselli Carpenter, possibly even in the very hard UHC carbon steel.

I bought the kitchen knife from the martinni store, however right behind the martinni store is a farmers market, it's usually open on weekends (or maybe everyday in the summer, dunno.) They have vegtables, and fruit, and fur, and food, and knives. That's where I got those two.

Also, the store your thinking of is "stockmans" I actually went to the top floor yesterday and saw some of the rossellie's. However they're were only like 3 or 4 knives In the case.

Maybe i'll go some other time and see of they have some more models.

 

[Frankki]

Now for the question. when I got home I noticed these two scandi's have a secondry bevel? It's pretty promiment, and I bought these from two different sellers. Are makers now putting this secondary bevel on scandi knives?

Unfortunately the norm nowadays on factory made blades. Looks like standard Laurin Metalli blades on the puukkos and yes they come with a way big secondary bevel. Now a little microbevel that people may put on the edge to strengthen it is another thing, but these are not too close to a proper puukko grind. A lot of makers/assemblers who use ready blades and build the knife around it. One pretty much has to get a completely handmade puukko with a forged blade to have the right profile.

 

[RafaelHerschel]

Nice collection! I agree about the secondary bevel. Nothing wrong with it, but it doesn’t seem to belong on a traditional puukko.

Rafael

 

[HoosierQ]

I recently purchased a Lapin Puukko online. Those are Lauri blades and mine too had a secondary bevel and I too was disappointed. I think you've got some very wonderful knives there. If you look at old, antique puukkos, they've all been sharpened so much that they have a slim profile. I am seriously considering taking my Lapin Lauri and completely reprofiling it to full-on scandi. Lauri blades are pretty hard so it will be an undertaking. However I just got a brand new set of DMT Duo-Sharp Diamond Stones in 4 grits including extra course so I think I have the stone up to the job. You may want to consider that.

From what I have seen, Finnish knives seem more likely to have the micro-bevel or even a secondary than Swedish or Nowegian kniven. Roselli of Finland makes nice knives but are not very traditional vis-a-vis the puukko. They don't have a secondary, are mildly convex, and do have a micro.

I love your new knives and having bought real puukkos in Finland makes them that much cooler.

 

[Dagon]

Also, the store your thinking of is "stockmans" I actually went to the top floor yesterday and saw some of the rossellie's. However they're were only like 3 or 4 knives In the case.

Yes they had only a few, but then Roselli doesn't have so many different knives, rather around 5 models in 2 carbon steel (normal carbon steel and very hard carbon steel).
If Stockmans has the midsize Carpenter model, you should really try it.

 

[EDDAKA]

I went by stockman's today and bought one of the rosellie knives (pictures to follow)

Nicely made puukko. Wish they had the UHC version of the carpenter. I would have bought the hunter in UHC but it was about £99....Plus a big thick knife like that and not a full tang? It feels like tang is really short too.

The carpenter does feel a little small in my hands and I have small\medium sized hands. It's not that sharp either. Will barely/not even shave hair.

My simple cheap £8 knock off martinni I got at the hardware store is much sharper. Hopefully after some sharpening I can bring out it's true potential.

 

[HoosierQ]

Rosellis all need a very quick touch up. I did mine with a fine diamond hone on my UHCs and a ceramic on the regular Krupp/Wootz steel ones. I gave each just maybe a dozen careful strokes on the steel/ceramic and then many many light strokes on a bench strop with green compound and watch-out...scary sharp.

I am not sure but I think Roselli knows most people put a final hone on their own knives so they don't bother. I was taken aback given their price and the price of let's say a Mora that is scary sharp to begin with.

But let me emphasize, it took very little to get each of my Rosellis just scary sharp. I am trying out an EDC with my Hunter. It fits well into my jeans pocket and very little shows. Would care it to work but for dog walking, hiking, gardening...that kind of EDC. The simple, light sheath works for that.

Give the Roselli a quick spin on a good ceramic, keeping a very acute angle and I think you will be pleased. My first Roselli was a Grandfather and I was hooked. I have both kinds of Hunters now, a Bear Claw and a Carpenter. Want a UHC Carpenter next.

 

[thejamppa]

Eddaka, if you ever have time, go Kauhava. Its the place for puukko's in Finland. Kauhava has most puukko maker's in the Finland and they have long traditions of making Puukko's (their emblem has puukko aswell). Its place to visit, if you ever have time and change. You have pretty lousy luck, There were Puukko and Craftsmen Festival in Kauhava 19-20th of this month.

 

[Ramm9]

Now for the question. when I got home I noticed these two scandi's have a secondry bevel? It's pretty promiment, and I bought these from two different sellers. Are makers now putting this secondary bevel on scandi knives?

To be honest I don't like it all. Now I can't sharpen them like I normally would with a scandi, which is why I like them and buy them.

There are Scandinavian made knives and then there is what has become the descriptive term "scandi grind". One is not really a description of the other. One is describing a traditional style of knife the other just another term for a particular "grind" that could just as easily be called a bushcrafter grind or wood carving grind.

Just like everywhere else, makers will use a grind that works well for the steel and intended purpose. So as you found, although a knife is made in a Scandinavian country and ground by a Scandinavian that does not mean it has what we have come to call "scandi grind".