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My father-in-law gave me a cool item yesterday. It was his fathers'. It is a Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 French bayonet. After some research this bayonet is even more interesting than I thought. This is a World War piece…except it is WWI not WWII. The research I have done mentions all the various markings (20+) that could be on this French Infantry weapon. Strangely enough this piece has no marking. I finally dug up the reference below:

"During WWI Remington Arms Company which was based in Ilion, New York was contracted to make Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 for the French military, most of these bayonets will not have any markings on them at all as very few of these were sent to France during the Great War."

This bayonet is just short of 100 years old. It even had some of the old cosmoline (military type grease/preservative) inside the scabbard.

25" overall with a 20" long 4 sided blade that would pierce you completely and leave a nasty wound. It was designed to fit on the French Lebel model 1886 rifle.

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That is an awesome piece of history, I always love seeing old war memorabilia. Thanks for sharing :thumbup:
 
I swear I think my dad has one of those in his safe. I am gonna have to check into it next time I visit.
Very cool.

Garth
 
That is cool. I love old military stuff like this. It's a little sobering and chilling to think that these tools were designed with no other purpose other than to kill humans.
 
History yea Brother now your talking!!! I was into Swords, Bayos, Fighting knives some 25 years before Busse Combat came into my world.

Here are a few I still have,
Back two blades 1st pic
1866 French Chassepot, Back two blades 1st pic
-Dated 1874
-Sterile, purported to have been made during the Franco Prussian War of 1870-1871. The sterile were made to give to the general public to fight the Germans with.

The two 1866 by themselves


1874 French Gras, 3rd 4th and 5th bayo down in 1st pic
Dated 1879,
Dated 1879
Dated 1875
Forgot to take a group pic ,here is a date shot,



1886 French Lebel 2ea full length.
1ea-Brass
1ea-VERY RARE all steel construction with matching serial #'s on the bayo and sheath


Now as two the shortened 1886 Lebels 4ea 2 on the very bottom of the 1st pic were shortened by the Germans during WW2 and issued to German support unit who were way in the rear. Also issued to car drivers and other support personnel.

1ea-German Model S103f w/ all steel construction
1ea-German Model S102, Original old 1886 style HOOKED Hilt and it's aluminum
Far right side of pic
2ea identical S103f just w/Brass hilts

Few shots of the shortened 1886s

Here you can see how much was removed to make a shortened 1886 to include the sheath.


Oh and of coarse
 
RobStanley said:
That is cool. I love old military stuff like this. It's a little sobering and chilling to think that these tools were designed with no other purpose other than to kill humans.
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They certainly make you think twice about trench warfare and the full on charge with bayonets fixed....However I wonder if the length was needed to wave the White Flag? :D
 
RussMo said:
History yea Brother now your talking!!! I was into Swords, Bayos, Fighting knives some 25 years before Busse Combat came into my world.

Here are a few I still have,
Back two blades 1st pic
1866 French Chassepot, Back two blades 1st pic
-Dated 1874
-Sterile, purported to have been made during the Franco Prussian War of 1870-1871. The sterile were made to give to the general public to fight the Germans with.

The two 1866 by themselves


1874 French Gras, 3rd 4th and 5th bayo down in 1st pic
Dated 1879,
Dated 1879
Dated 1875
Forgot to take a group pic ,here is a date shot,



1886 French Lebel 2ea full length.
1ea-Brass
1ea-VERY RARE all steel construction with matching serial #'s on the bayo and sheath


Now as two the shortened 1886 Lebels 4ea 2 on the very bottom of the 1st pic were shortened by the Germans during WW2 and issued to German support unit who were way in the rear. Also issued to car drivers and other support personnel.

1ea-German Model S103f w/ all steel construction
1ea-German Model S102, Original old 1886 style HOOKED Hilt and it's aluminum
Far right side of pic
2ea identical S103f just w/Brass hilts

Few shots of the shortened 1886s

Here you can see how much was removed to make a shortened 1886 to include the sheath.
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Very, very cool collection. As WWI trench warfare developed this 1886 bayonet evolved to shorter and shorter versions.
 
Wow. Thanks for the history lesson. Very interesting to see all of those bayonets all together.

Garth
 
The funny thing is the Germans called the 1886 Lebel, "that Damn Knitting Needle". The Germans hated and feared the cruciform bayonet during WW1 cause the wound channel was hard to close and infections were common.
 
I cant imagine getting the "fix bayonets" and "charge" order. Really amazing how far things have come. Now we have planes that dont even need a pilot.

Garth
 
RussMo said:
The funny thing is the Germans called the 1886 Lebel, "that Damn Knitting Needle". The Germans hated and feared the cruciform bayonet during WW1 cause the wound channel was hard to close and infections were common.
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With some imagination the form of those wounds looked like a rose, which led to the surname “la Rosalie”.
 
Great pics, fellas.

Awesome collection there RussMo!


My infatuation with big knives also started with Bayonets. At around age 12, I began buying them at local gun shows. Specifically the 1907 Wilkerson British bayonets, 16-18" blade. I still have 3 or 4 of them. One in mint, unissued condition. I have no idea the value nowdays, but there is no doubt that my love of big blades early in life have led me to Busseville.

This is what they look like...

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But as previously stated... It's hard to imagine the bayonet charge in modern warfare. I wish we had more men of that era in this era.

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kdstrick said:
Great pics, fellas.

Awesome collection there RussMo!


My infatuation with big knives also started with Bayonets. At around age 12, I began buying them at local gun shows. Specifically the 1907 Wilkerson British bayonets, 16-18" blade. I still have 3 or 4 of them. One in mint, unissued condition. I have no idea the value nowdays, but there is no doubt that my love of big blades early in life have led me to Busseville.

This is what they look like...

british-pattern-1907-wilkinson-bayonet-and-scabbard-1918-dated-canadian-marked-%5B2%5D-375-p.jpg



But as previously stated... It's hard to imagine the bayonet charge in modern warfare. I wish we had more men of that era in this era.

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Amen Brother.
 
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