A different style of knife for the Wilderness

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAEhP-fjaN8&feature=related

Sorry I don't know how to embed the player yet.

This is a really good video on a knife that I really like (and own the 7.5: version) but doesn't get much attention from the bushcrafty folks. It's nice to get a different perspective on what constitutes a one knife idea and execution based on that persons preferences.

Enjoy. :cool:
 
I had the 9" version and it was a nice knife, worked especially good for chopping. I even took it on a few backpacking trips, but I found I usually used a smaller knife. If you watch Woodsmaster vol. 9 (I think it's that one anyway) Ron shows some great tips for using a tanto blade for woods use.
 
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I had one of the initial run of that knife. It had the talon holes which had to be changed. I liked it but moved on to more traditional knives so i sold it. The sheath from TOPS however was a miserable thing.

It's also worth mentioning that Ron Hood was one of the original mods to this forum:)
 
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First, I have to say that the person who did that video did an excellent job! Two years ago, I would have probably been convinced by this video to try it out, but that was back in the day that I was really moving towards a 1 large knife solution. I've since sort of withdrawn from that concept and far prefer a combination of tools.

From looking at the video here are a few critiques I have of the knife in question. The number one thing is that sharp point on the underside of the handle separating the finger notches. I don't mind a finger notch, but if it is present, I far prefer it to be a smooth gradation. A perfect example would be the style of finger notch that Scott Gossman uses or those on the BHK bushcrafter. When you have too pronounced a point on the finger notch it really interferes with a reverse grip which is something one would use on this knife, using the very back of the blade for detail work.

The second thing I don't like is the notched ramp. I hate thumb ramps on knives and always find that they interfere more than the comfort they supposedly provide when using the knife in a standard hammer grip. As correctly pointed out by the video presenter, that overly large choil acts as a good forward finger notch allowing you to choke up on the knife. Its obvious that the video presenter also had to contort his grip to accommodate the ramp. On my Scrapyard SOD, I removed both the ramp and finger guard in front of the choil. It made the knife alot more lively and comfortable to use when choking up on it. If I had this Tops Anaconda, I'm pretty sure that the first thing I would do would be take that knife to the grinder and grind that ramp off.

The video presenter made mention of the teeth forward of the spine being used to facilitate notches in a fireboard. I make fire by bowdrill regularly and I am about 95% sure that teeth like that on a 1/4" spine would be useless for making your notches. Nope, sorry, I haven't tried it. But then again, making a notch on your hearth is a pretty easy task and one best done by cutting with the edge of a small knife or batoning the notch out with the edge of a large knife. Cutting the notch out works well with a fine saw like that on a SAK, this being the preferred way to start a notch. However, those big spine serrations would not be very good. The presenter also said they can be used to cut wire and I will believe him that this serves a good purpose. I respect that fact that the serrations are limited in terms of the area they cover on the spine and seem to be well positioned.

Batoning - this knife is clearly going to be great at this activity. Personally, I prefer a thinner blade for batoning, but it will work no problem. The tanto edge here is helpful because it both maximizes the length of the spine and contributes to a thick tip that will not break while batoning. This knife is clearly a batonning machine!

Chopping - I have to say that the performance of this blade look rather mediocre. I know, he was using seasoned hickory. Lets just say that my impression is that a short machete (12") or mid-sized machete (18") would out chop this knife in spades on the type of wood the video was testing the knife on. The machete, while longer, will also be lighter. Personally, I'd far prefer to have my ESEE-lite machete as the tool of choice if I were chopping that sized wood, and then I'd prefer a small hatchet for larger limbing.

Tanto point. I prefer a drop point or straight spine configuration for aesthetics. But it really is the aesthetics. As indicated above, I think the tanto offers some good characteristics when paired with this style of knife. The tip will be extremely robust and facilitate batoning. The position of the tip, paired with that blade length, also makes it really good at poking stuff with good control. I probably wouldn't buy an American tanto-type knife like this, but I concede the value of it as raised by the video presenter.

If I were to recommend alterations to the blade by tops my suggestions would be: 1) re-shape the handle making a smoother finger notch; 2) get ride of the thumb ramp; 3) get rid of the serrations on the spine; 4) make it out of 3/16" thick stock rather than 1/4". Of course, all of these suggestions are just my preferences. Again, I'd more likely bring a small axe and knife with me, a lite-machete/knife than I would a one knife solution. However, I recognize that there are lots of folks fixated on the one knife solution. Even if I went that route, I think I'd go with a mid-sized blade like the ESEE-6 instead. Not a good chopper, but neither is the Anaconda as well demonstrated!
 
If I were to recommend alterations to the blade by tops my suggestions would be: 1) re-shape the handle making a smoother finger notch; 2) get ride of the thumb ramp; 3) get rid of the serrations on the spine; 4) make it out of 3/16" thick stock rather than 1/4". Of course, all of these suggestions are just my preferences. Again, I'd more likely bring a small axe and knife with me, a lite-machete/knife than I would a one knife solution. However, I recognize that there are lots of folks fixated on the one knife solution. Even if I went that route, I think I'd go with a mid-sized blade like the ESEE-6 instead. Not a good chopper, but neither is the Anaconda as well demonstrated!

You just described the Hoodlum knife -- except he kept the thumb ramp.
http://survival.instantestore.net/pd-the-hoodlum-blade-deposit.cfm

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If I were to recommend alterations to the blade by tops my suggestions would be: 1) re-shape the handle making a smoother finger notch; 2) get ride of the thumb ramp; 3) get rid of the serrations on the spine; 4) make it out of 3/16" thick stock rather than 1/4". Of course, all of these suggestions are just my preferences. Again, I'd more likely bring a small axe and knife with me, a lite-machete/knife than I would a one knife solution. However, I recognize that there are lots of folks fixated on the one knife solution. Even if I went that route, I think I'd go with a mid-sized blade like the ESEE-6 instead. Not a good chopper, but neither is the Anaconda as well demonstrated!

Good assessment. I have the same knife and it's a beast of a blade!

Ron Hood modified his Hoodlum based on some of the same suggestions you mentioned (although it still has the thumb hump):

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ROCK6
 
Man CPL, we were thinking and writing the same thing and the same time...scary:D

ROCK6
 
I think it's kinda nice to see someone seriously recommending a tanto.
I see the design get knocked a LOT, and I basically understand the reasons. But personally I've been pleased with the function and blade geometry of my Ka-Bar tanto.

It's a very acute and strong point, and it has some of the properties of a chisel tip.

His statements about the balance point seemed reasonable too. Balance can be a huge factor. It's actually the main reason i prefer my new HEST to my ESEE-3, though I'm wandering OT...that's fodder for a review of my own.
 
I agree with everything below, just about. Having owned the TOPS Condor, which I loved, I know the grinds on the tops knives are just to thick for decent chopping. I really like the look of the newer Hoodlum's.


First, I have to say that the person who did that video did an excellent job! Two years ago, I would have probably been convinced by this video to try it out, but that was back in the day that I was really moving towards a 1 large knife solution. I've since sort of withdrawn from that concept and far prefer a combination of tools.

From looking at the video here are a few critiques I have of the knife in question. The number one thing is that sharp point on the underside of the handle separating the finger notches. I don't mind a finger notch, but if it is present, I far prefer it to be a smooth gradation. A perfect example would be the style of finger notch that Scott Gossman uses or those on the BHK bushcrafter. When you have too pronounced a point on the finger notch it really interferes with a reverse grip which is something one would use on this knife, using the very back of the blade for detail work.

The second thing I don't like is the notched ramp. I hate thumb ramps on knives and always find that they interfere more than the comfort they supposedly provide when using the knife in a standard hammer grip. As correctly pointed out by the video presenter, that overly large choil acts as a good forward finger notch allowing you to choke up on the knife. Its obvious that the video presenter also had to contort his grip to accommodate the ramp. On my Scrapyard SOD, I removed both the ramp and finger guard in front of the choil. It made the knife alot more lively and comfortable to use when choking up on it. If I had this Tops Anaconda, I'm pretty sure that the first thing I would do would be take that knife to the grinder and grind that ramp off.

The video presenter made mention of the teeth forward of the spine being used to facilitate notches in a fireboard. I make fire by bowdrill regularly and I am about 95% sure that teeth like that on a 1/4" spine would be useless for making your notches. Nope, sorry, I haven't tried it. But then again, making a notch on your hearth is a pretty easy task and one best done by cutting with the edge of a small knife or batoning the notch out with the edge of a large knife. Cutting the notch out works well with a fine saw like that on a SAK, this being the preferred way to start a notch. However, those big spine serrations would not be very good. The presenter also said they can be used to cut wire and I will believe him that this serves a good purpose. I respect that fact that the serrations are limited in terms of the area they cover on the spine and seem to be well positioned.

Batoning - this knife is clearly going to be great at this activity. Personally, I prefer a thinner blade for batoning, but it will work no problem. The tanto edge here is helpful because it both maximizes the length of the spine and contributes to a thick tip that will not break while batoning. This knife is clearly a batonning machine!

Chopping - I have to say that the performance of this blade look rather mediocre. I know, he was using seasoned hickory. Lets just say that my impression is that a short machete (12") or mid-sized machete (18") would out chop this knife in spades on the type of wood the video was testing the knife on. The machete, while longer, will also be lighter. Personally, I'd far prefer to have my ESEE-lite machete as the tool of choice if I were chopping that sized wood, and then I'd prefer a small hatchet for larger limbing.

Tanto point. I prefer a drop point or straight spine configuration for aesthetics. But it really is the aesthetics. As indicated above, I think the tanto offers some good characteristics when paired with this style of knife. The tip will be extremely robust and facilitate batoning. The position of the tip, paired with that blade length, also makes it really good at poking stuff with good control. I probably wouldn't buy an American tanto-type knife like this, but I concede the value of it as raised by the video presenter.

If I were to recommend alterations to the blade by tops my suggestions would be: 1) re-shape the handle making a smoother finger notch; 2) get ride of the thumb ramp; 3) get rid of the serrations on the spine; 4) make it out of 3/16" thick stock rather than 1/4". Of course, all of these suggestions are just my preferences. Again, I'd more likely bring a small axe and knife with me, a lite-machete/knife than I would a one knife solution. However, I recognize that there are lots of folks fixated on the one knife solution. Even if I went that route, I think I'd go with a mid-sized blade like the ESEE-6 instead. Not a good chopper, but neither is the Anaconda as well demonstrated!
 
the tanto tip on the anaconda isn't what i would call the normal americanized version we are use to seeing. It is not chisel ground but is hollow ground and is much sharper than its chisel ground brethren. I ended up selling mine because the short hollow ground blade with 1/4" thick spine didn't chop as well as some of my other similar blades like Busse BM-E. Ron Hood said he designed it that way to get an "axe" like edge but i wasn't a fan of that portion of it.

As far as the handle goes with the index sub-hilt notch or what ever you want to call it i found it worked better than Ron's designed Fehrman HoodHunter blade but still caused my grip to open up. I like a normal handle for my choppers anymore that doesn't set my hand in preconfigured areas.

KGD i agree with you on the ripper teeth portion of the knife. They didn't do much to make them a worthwhile addition.

Other than those dislikes i think the anaconda is a solid knife for the money.
 
Found an old pic of the Anaconda i had with other large choppers for comparison including Ron's HoodHunter
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I had one of the initial run of that knife. It had the talon holes which had to be changed. I liked it but moved on to more traditional knives so i sold it. The sheath from TOPS however was a miserable thing.

It's also worth mentioning that Ron Hood was one of the original mods to this forum:)

Thanks for the embed, I am terrible at that.

Ron Hood is a really, really down to earth guy, mine is an original with the "talon" holes and good lord it has been with me through it all, its retired now.

I bought it at a gun show in Reno with the owner of TOPS there and Mr Hood talking about what the knife could do, how much field trail it'd had. They even threw in a proto Street Scalpel (that I later traded like a dummie) on that deal.
 
the tanto tip on the anaconda isn't what i would call the normal americanized version we are use to seeing. It is not chisel ground but is hollow ground and is much sharper than its chisel ground brethren. I ended up selling mine because the short hollow ground blade with 1/4" thick spine didn't chop as well as some of my other similar blades like Busse BM-E. Ron Hood said he designed it that way to get an "axe" like edge but i wasn't a fan of that portion of it.

As far as the handle goes with the index sub-hilt notch or what ever you want to call it i found it worked better than Ron's designed Fehrman HoodHunter blade but still caused my grip to open up. I like a normal handle for my choppers anymore that doesn't set my hand in preconfigured areas.

KGD i agree with you on the ripper teeth portion of the knife. They didn't do much to make them a worthwhile addition.

Other than those dislikes i think the anaconda is a solid knife for the money.

The ripper teeth are not a deal breaker imo they come in handy for notching, the knife is a chopper though, make no mistake, my 7.5" won't out chop my the Dogfather or B11 but it will out pace knives I've had of similar length, including a BK7 and HI Munk Chunk.
 
Never really been the tanto-in-the-bush type, I don't really like skinning with a tanto tip. I do have the Steel Eagle 111A that has a similar handle which is comfortable to me, but it has the clipped point blade. It's a good chopper and the saw works pretty well. My partner has it right now while I am checking out the Power Eagle...which definitely chops better in my opinion.

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