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Yes I use search functions ect. I am just going to start with that. So you know I am pretty new to knives and related stuff. In everyones opinion what is a good steel that holds a edge well with out being to hard to sharpen. i dont have the best stuff for sharpening and really want to get some good stones. I am thinking around a $50-60 knife but I am not sure the thresh hold where the good steel starts. A folder would be best as I want to carry it and use it. On sharpening how much does it matter what stroke you use? I seemed to have the best success more often then not with the back and forth motion sharpening the whole time. On that are sections better or should I try to cover the whole knife. I have seen versions a lot. What do you guys like to use to flatten out a stone? I have been using a course smith 4" diamond plate. I used a file originally cause when I took it out of the package it was a roller coaster it was so bad. It is a 8" smith's aluminum oxide. I seem to like stones much better then diamond plates. They have a much better feel to me. Also if a knife is really dull at what point does counting stokes matter to perfectly match the other side?
http://imgur.com/a/UvjKP
Currently this is the best knife I have. I paid $5 for it but It needs cleaned up more still.
 
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As far as the steel, I would say VG10 fits your parameters. It is not very expensive, it is very easy to maintain, and takes an edge very easily. The stroke does not matter as much as the angle. As long as you are using the correct angle on the entire edge you will get a sharp knife. I use water stones and flatten with a 140 Grit diamond plate from CKTG. Counting strokes is not going to be beneficial when you are trying to put a fresh edge on a really beat up knife. You have to use your eyes to keep the bevel even and the edge centered. Counting strokes is good once you have the edge established where you want it. As far as the folder you are looking for, I don't know what you want in a knife. I would suggest browsing spyderco and kizer products ( IF you want to try VG10) to get something in your price range that is built with quality. There are hundreds of good knives in your price range from different makers with great steels to choose from.
 
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I had one more question I forgot to ask. What do you wipe your stones off with? It seems like everything leaves behind stuff you can feel. I ultimately end up wiping it off with my hand. I do want to get some water stones but think I want better sharpening stones first. I was considering the Smith's tri hone as it seems pretty convient and it's not super expensive
 
The Smiths alox stone should be fine sharpening the knife you have.
Use a sharpie on the edge and practice a lot and you will get the feel for free hand sharpening.

There are a lot of high value folders in the 30 dollar range.
A Rat 1 or some sort of SAK is a good starting place for folders.

As you get your edge more refined remember light pressure and stropping go a long way.
 
I have a hand full of knives already from over the years. They are ok knives in general but not when your talking to people on a forum who know knives. The ka-bar might not be anything special but it's from 1978 when stuff was made for real. I got that knife shaving sharp pretty easily even though it was rusted and had some knicks around the curve when I got it. I kind feel like knives that are harder to sharpen because of hard steel are kind of easier to sharpen in a way. They are move forgiving if you mess up part of a pass and the knife grab somewhere. I was doing it a little on purpose to see how easy you can mess up what you had going. The $15-25 knives hardly still cut paper but ka-bar was good to go.
 
Not sure what you want in a folder but in your price range, I would look at the Rat 1 w/ D2 blade, Spyderco Delica with VG10 balde, or Steel Will Cut Jack w/ D2 blade. If you're thinking more traditional, look for a used GEC or a new SAK or Case. The SAK Pioneer is outstanding little knife.
 
I just want a decent knife with a clip I can carry and use sometimes or a lot of times in ways you shouldn't while I am working etc. I have a couple I use that I don't think are anything good. I kinda rotate out between a Gerber Milwaukee and a snapon. They are like $25 or around there. That is maybe the range where a knife isn't a total pos but it isn't good either. I just kind of guessed that the $50-60 range is where that becomes a thing. If you handed it to someone who have used tools and done work before they would just know they a good knife.
 
Yes I use search functions ect. I am just going to start with that. So you know I am pretty new to knives and related stuff. In everyones opinion what is a good steel that holds a edge well with out being to hard to sharpen. i dont have the best stuff for sharpening and really want to get some good stones. I am thinking around a $50-60 knife but I am not sure the thresh hold where the good steel starts. A folder would be best as I want to carry it and use it. On sharpening how much does it matter what stroke you use? I seemed to have the best success more often then not with the back and forth motion sharpening the whole time. On that are sections better or should I try to cover the whole knife. I have seen versions a lot. What do you guys like to use to flatten out a stone? I have been using a course smith 4" diamond plate. I used a file originally cause when I took it out of the package it was a roller coaster it was so bad. It is a 8" smith's aluminum oxide. I seem to like stones much better then diamond plates. They have a much better feel to me. Also if a knife is really dull at what point does counting stokes matter to perfectly match the other side?
http://imgur.com/a/UvjKP
Currently this is the best knife I have. I paid $5 for it but It needs cleaned up more still.

I'll take a shot at some of your other (sharpening) questions...

"What stroke to use"... it doesn't matter a whole lot, as long as your consistent. On the straight portion of a knife, I'll use more of a "back and forth" motion... on a curved portion, I'll use a sweeping motion (but still back and forth) to cover the entire curve (typically start of the belly to the tip) in one stroke. I'll usually finish a knife with an "edge leading" sweeping motion of the entire edge.

"If a knife is really dull at what point does counting strokes matter to perfectly match the other side"... I don't recommend counting. Instead, look at the knife and let it tell you which side needs more. Blades often come uneven to begin with, so counting just keeps it uneven. That being said, I do try and spend a similar amount of time on each side (assuming it's fairly equal to begin with), and if I find I'm spending a lot of time on one side to raise a burr or set a bevel... I usually switch every couple of minutes or so, to keep it even and not 'overgrind' one side.
 
I just want a decent knife with a clip I can carry and use sometimes or a lot of times in ways you shouldn't while I am working etc. I have a couple I use that I don't think are anything good. I kinda rotate out between a Gerber Milwaukee and a snapon. They are like $25 or around there. That is maybe the range where a knife isn't a total pos but it isn't good either. I just kind of guessed that the $50-60 range is where that becomes a thing. If you handed it to someone who have used tools and done work before they would just know they a good knife.
Save for one or two more month and get a new black class 154cm folder from bmknives.com, who is the same owner- Roger from knifeworks.com. Discontinued models are always higher value: mini strikers, strikers, presidio, or 950 rift- 95 to 114.00 after a 10 buck gas card.
To save more money fish the "for sale by individual" folder Forum. Looking back on my choices early on, the AUS8 class knives are always useful, so a D2 Rat1 or VG Spyderco would be as well, but extra money for better steel is the secret sauce of knives:-).
 
Sorry if I am asking some super commonly answered stuff or they are stupid questions. There is actually a lot of info to learn. A question i forgot to ask was what do you wipe your stones down with? What doesnt leave crap on the stones? I always have to use my hand in the end.
 
Yes I use search functions ect. I am just going to start with that. So you know I am pretty new to knives and related stuff. In everyones opinion what is a good steel that holds a edge well with out being to hard to sharpen. i dont have the best stuff for sharpening and really want to get some good stones. I am thinking around a $50-60 knife but I am not sure the thresh hold where the good steel starts. A folder would be best as I want to carry it and use it. On sharpening how much does it matter what stroke you use? I seemed to have the best success more often then not with the back and forth motion sharpening the whole time. On that are sections better or should I try to cover the whole knife. I have seen versions a lot. What do you guys like to use to flatten out a stone? I have been using a course smith 4" diamond plate. I used a file originally cause when I took it out of the package it was a roller coaster it was so bad. It is a 8" smith's aluminum oxide. I seem to like stones much better then diamond plates. They have a much better feel to me. Also if a knife is really dull at what point does counting stokes matter to perfectly match the other side?
Hi,
How sharp can you get your knives? In under 5 minutes?

I would suggest not buying any more stuff for the moment
you've got more than enough :)

Instead I would suggest you spend a bit of time fine tuning your equipment and skill.


Think about what the hardest work your knife should do (say cutting dry hardwoods)
Then spend 5 minutes doing that, use knife to make wood shavings for 5 minutes straight, you'll quickly learn where the the hot-spots/sharp corners are on the handle that you need to sand down and round out.

It doesn't much matter what kind of stroke you use to raise a burr (shaping),
scrubbing strokes are the fastest kind :)
But for removing the burr and setting the final sharpness,
the best are edge leading alternating strokes...
which you can't do on strops or some soft waterstones....
you don't always have to use the simplest/best option

Seriously, anything above $5 , even most things at $1 have steel that is good enough to slice a mile of cardboard and still be sharp enough to slice paper, if sharpened well.
Money doesn't equal performance, even $500 knives come with uncomfortable handles, overly thick blades (to call it a prybar is a compliment), and "bad" quality steel -- the weirdest things can sell :)

Most important thing is a comfortable handle (ergonomics),
second most important is a adequately thin blade (geometry)
the third most important thing your sharpening skill
Everything after that is extras, and most of this you wont appreciate until you spend time cutting wtuff with your own two hands, so start with the stuff you already own.

If all you're doing is breaking down a box or two every half hour (less than 1min of cutting),
well a $1 knife will do just fine,
It doesn't even need to have a lock.
you don't even have to smooth the sharp edges on the handle,
or even sharpen the thing.


You don't want to flatten your smith's stone using a diamond plate, its a waste of diamonds.
stone maintenance, flattening and condition, either use another coarser stone, or a ceramic tile (or glass) and "sand" (loose grit abrasive grain), more details on that resurface the stone, deglaze the hard way :) which is just a a 20 second lapping/rubb to scratch a new surface


The only reason to count strokes is to remain even, a sharpening (raising a burr) shouldn't take more than 300 strokes, if it does you're regrinding.


Look at this, ~$7 sharpening stone 12 dps edge can still shaves/whittles beard hair after 1000 slices of hardwood ( yes a 1000 slices of hardwood )
25dps dulls faster than 20dps even if those are microbevel angles

Try stuff and ask specific questions and try stuff and try stuff :)
 
If that better quality knives and in that $100 range that's ok. No need to save 1 or 2 months to buy one. Like I said I just guessed that the $50-60 range was where you started getting the better steel as quality in a knife. I am constantly buying swimbaits that are $50-200 all that time. It's a addiction almost. They get way more expensive then that though. I also only brought up the stones I mentioned that tri hone as it would of somewhat simplified things to have everything all in one in would think. And about a waste of diamonds flattening that stone. It is just a 4" Smith's coarse diamond plate. They are not very expensive and that stone when I bought it had very pronounced bumps, hills in it. You cold somewhat see it looking from the side and really felt it if you rubbed across it.
 
If that better quality knives and in that $100 range that's ok. No need to save 1 or 2 months to buy one. Like I said I just guessed that the $50-60 range was where you started getting the better steel as quality in a knife. I am constantly buying swimbaits that are $50-200 all that time. It's a addiction almost. They get way more expensive then that though. I also only brought up the stones I mentioned that tri hone as it would of somewhat simplified things to have everything all in one in would think. And about a waste of diamonds flattening that stone. It is just a 4" Smith's coarse diamond plate. They are not very expensive and that stone when I bought it had very pronounced bumps, hills in it. You cold somewhat see it looking from the side and really felt it if you rubbed across it.
What's your email address?
 
I would rather message you that and don't see that option on my phone.

Also btw swimbaits are usually very big and heavy fishing lures for catching the biggest bass in the lake.
 
If that better quality knives and in that $100 range that's ok. No need to save 1 or 2 months to buy one. Like I said I just guessed that the $50-60 range was where you started getting the better steel as quality in a knife. I am constantly buying swimbaits that are $50-200 all that time. It's a addiction almost. They get way more expensive then that though. I also only brought up the stones I mentioned that tri hone as it would of somewhat simplified things to have everything all in one in would think. And about a waste of diamonds flattening that stone. It is just a 4" Smith's coarse diamond plate. They are not very expensive and that stone when I bought it had very pronounced bumps, hills in it. You cold somewhat see it looking from the side and really felt it if you rubbed across it.
Hi,
Yes, ~$20 is not a lot of money for smith's a pocket diamond stone (ebay generic ~$5),
but they're not made to be flattened or to flatten other stones
and are very easy to damage (strip diamond)
and the the other smith's stone was $10,
its much easier and faster to flatten it using some cement/pavement/free brick/$1-2 tile
or another sharpening stone ($1-$10)
as you can press much harder (25-50lbs) and use bigger strokes
and at the end you still have bling in your pocket :p
 
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