...a final and happy post about the Schrade gold Perpetual Calendar knife

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...one final post regarding the Gold Calendar Perpetual which caused so much angst,agitation and ill will on here and the other Forum for reasons I will never understand apart from the fact it shattered another supposed Schrade experts reputation and his desciples... as I have just received a reply from Herman Williams who I sent some 60 photos from all angles including interior shots.If anyone knows their way around the inside of a Schrade knife I figure Herman does.
Herman has just verified that the knife is indeed authentic and ultra rare.
I have sent the actual text of Hermans response to lrv whom I trust and I dont intend to repeat his complete email on here as no doubt Herman would also be vilified for authenticating...As far as it being a "hoax" and a "fake" and a "rip-off" and all the other ""expert"" views expressed ,it has now been authenticated by Bernard Levine and Herman Williams...........so you other amateur experts can go to hell with your comments....
Herman did say however quote directly " You dont realize how valuable that knife is!I put a value of $1,000 on it.I got this figure from Uncle Henry Baer. That was years ago,in the early 80's.I never saw another one like it in all my travels to Collector Shows.What it was or is worth,I dont know".............
Final thanks to Michael, Paul <Sheathmaker> and lrv including Mr A.G. Russells help.. for their unwavering support of this knife through the whole miserable process of releasing it on this forum.....Hey Charlie why not show a few knives from 1960 to 2004 to keep BF interesting now that I've departed...oh thats right you dont have any do you?... just the constant white ant comments.......Hoo Roo
 
Larry, I'm happy for your good fortune.

However, your post was really uncalled for. I really enjoy all the knives you have posted, and I'm extemely envious of your collection, but it really takes away from all that when we act like children on this forum.

I do not enjoy reading this kind of stuff...

Glenn
 
:thumbdn::grumpy::mad::(:jerkit::o:yawn: I DO NOT understand at All!!???




This really is a person(Larry303) with alot to share but little class in doing so WTHeck!!!




Over and good ridance!:eek:
Shawn
 
Larry Im pretty sure this place will remain intersting without you. Ya just had to post one more time as a FU to the rest of us. You have way better and way nicer knives than I do or most of us here do but Oh well I have made a lot of good friends here and seen and learned a lot and will continue to do so. dont let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out. Get over yourself my friend. You brought this upon yourself, You were the only one making a ruckus over it. I dont own 1 single knife or an entire collection more valuable than the friendships Ive made here ,and might consider eating a little crow rather than spend my life with my knives all by myself with no one to share them with- Joel
 
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Well, I've been sitting here contemplating wether I want to get involved in this thread for ten minutes now, but there are just a couple of things I want to say since you've found it absolutely necessary to spew another round of bile this way. You've completely blown Charlie's comment WAY out of proportion, and I really don't think it's necessary to hurl insults like that at him just because he requested that a thread be kept on track. What's the big deal? "Don't be such a hardass you old goat!" with a smiley would have been a great response, and then just forget about it. Why stew over it? Why take it so personally? Same goes for that blasted calendar knife. No one's reputation was shattered along with any desciples. And at this point I really don't think anyone is losing sleep over its legitimacy but you. It's a friggin' piece of metal, nothing more, certainly not so important that it's worth shattering friendships over. And just so it's clear, I bear no favoritism to anyone on either forum, I have equal respect for Charlie, Michael, Larry, LT, Glenn, Tim, Dale, and the hundred or so other folks on BOTH forums. Everyone has something to contribute, and I consider them all good friends, which I consider much more important than the knives I own. And as far as Charlie goes, he knows more about knives in general than you could ever imagine Larry, and he's given freely, both advice and physical items, more than most people can imagine.

Eric

PS- Just what's so "happy" about this post anyway, it just makes folks angry and disgusted IM(not so humble)O.
 
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Larry, in all sincerity, something's wrong. i humbly urge you to see a competant doctor. your reactions have become increasingly inappropriate in the last year and it may be due to an undiagnosed medical condition.
again, i say this with sincerity and kindness, and hope for your sake and your family's, that you seek help, because i assure you, something is not right.
roland
 
Like Eric, I've thought long and hard before posting to this thread.
There is no joy and no happiness when a grown man acts like a spoiled child. There is no happiness in the fact that they have chosen to leave, no sense of victory but perhaps a sense of relief that the members of this forum will no longer be subjected to that person's tirades.

I find myself agreeing with what each of you said. I really couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with Glenn that he has an excellent collection, but I too do not enjoy reading the kind of vitriol that we have been subject to recently in some of his posts.

I agree with Shawn that it is really sad when a person with so much to share cannot do so with any sort of class.

Roland, I think you may have hit the nail on the head.

Joel and Eric spoke for me as well when they said:

gradall5200 said:
I dont own 1 single knife or an entire collection more valuable than the friendships Ive made here, and might consider eating a little crow rather than spend my life with my knives all by myself with no one to share them with- Joel
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ea42 said:
Everyone has something to contribute, and I consider them all good friends, which I consider much more important than the knives I own. And as far as Charlie goes, he knows more about knives in general than you could ever imagine Larry, and he's given freely, both advice and physical items, more than most people can imagine.

Eric
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For me a hobby such as knife collecting, or knife repairing and customizing, is immensely more enjoyable when I can share it with someone else. I have repaired and customized a lot of knives over the last few years. Yes, I enjoyed working on them, but my greatest joy comes when I can share my efforts with someone else and see their pleasure in what I have made.

I suppose to a certain degree, at least in the things I have read, that knife collecting really began with the old timers who used to sit around and swap stories and knives. To that extent I think sharing is an integral part of knife collecting.

The friendships that we make in this forum, other forums, in knife clubs and at knife shows brings a sense of camaraderie and friendship to knife collecting that one does not find in many hobbies. The friendships I have made while collecting knives and especially on this forum mean more to me than all the knives in my collection. The friendships I have made while collecting add the true value to the knives in my collection.

Two days ago I received a knife in the mail. The knife was part of a roundtable exchange of vintage knives. The only rules for the roundtable were that the knife be older than 1970 and have a value of $40 or more. When the names were drawn for the roundtable a very good friend of mine drew my name. The old Robeson Shuredge, strawberry bone half congress has been in my pocket ever since, and will remain there for a long time to come. This knife has far more value to me than the $70 or $80 book value because of the friendship it represents. The neat thing about collecting knives is that I can carry in my pocket and use every day, and that item reminds me of our friendship. This also makes knife collecting a unique hobby.

To me knife collecting is not about who has the rarest knife or who has the most expensive knife or even who has the most knives. Knife collecting is about the people who used this old knife before I did. It's about my friend who gave it to me, or my father or grandfather who gave me the knife. It's also about the knife my wife gave me or the knife my children gave me. These are the knives that I truly value.

For many of us these simple tools we call pocketknives are symbols of history, of a bygone era in which our ancestors lived. They are symbols of loved ones who have gone on before us from this world. They are symbols of friendship and they are symbols of love. And best of all they are symbols that we can carry in our pocket and use throughout the day, and each time we use it we’re reminded of what that particular knife represents to us.

I really and truly feel sorry for someone who does not get this part, the most important part, of knife collecting. Without this, knife collecting is a pretty empty hobby and the only way to keep score is with dollar signs or in the quantity of knives that one owns. Such a person, while having all the knives still lives in poverty, in a void of the true meaning of knife collecting. Such a person has my pity and my deepest sympathy. I truly hope that everyone who collects knives will come to realize the true joy of knife collecting. And I wish this were Larry as well. May he truly fair-well.

Dale
 
Well said Dale - Thank you for that post - I think what you said about knife collecting is the essence of being a part of this brotherhood. Again thanks for the comments. CES
 
Larry,

Had not doubt. It was a shame what you had to go through.

Jackie
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..the gross hypocrisy of the lynch mob mentality.You are the same blokes who unleashed unwarranted bile on AAPK on both Michael <Codger> myself and the calendar knife and not a word of apology now that it has been unreservedly authenticated in 3 emails from Herman Williams and he is aware of the controversy caused by you blokes.Larry Vickery whom I do trust is in possession of those emails.
You miss the point it had nothing to do with Charlies "dig" at me in the other post ..he has been doing that for some 4 years,it was the personal attacks on both this forum and AAPK and you limp wrists now accuse ME of unwarranted attacks... get real, Michael is aware of the truth.....I have shared wonderful comraderie on this forum from most posters however I now believe sheer jealousy is the motivation of some of the constant negatives....and certainly some of the' behind' the scenes emails by Charlie including to myself that no one ever sees... always creating a beat up of innocence. . . and you blokes buy it.....Aussies tend to be more direct.
Roland if I want a reality check I simply go with my loving wife to visit my son and two daughters and my 5 1/2 grandchildren so worry not about my mental health and there is much work you can do here and AAPK.
I remain close with many U.S. knife friends and have for some 6 years.
Jackie and Brady I sincerely thank you for your support and wish you all the best my friends.
I am emailing this page to Codger before you limp wrists remove it....Hoo Roo
 
WOW.....

Just another guy pissed off that some one dares question the authenticity of HIS knife
I see it all the time in BRL's forum :(:confused:

Who is Herman Williams? Maybe you can pay him 100 bucks for a little piece of paper with a wax seal on it
You know..One of those COA's
To some buyers those REALLY mean something

After you called us limp wrists===>
Good riddance, I say.................
 
Trent:

Herman Williams is a notoriously popular Schrade knife customizer, and is famous for his Sambar Stag handles, awesome filework, and jimping. There have been some great threads with pictures of his work. He has been a brief member in the forum. A great guy too.

Hal

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=570543&highlight=Herman

I'm sure you recognize his work, Here is a link to a nice Herman Williams thread. You might want to search for others.
 
Larry, YOU miss the point, I seem to recall the knife being confirmed authentic quite some time ago, and a round of congratulations being sent your way as well. So why after all this time do you have to dredge it up again? Why even bother Herman with 60!?! pictures? It just seems redundant. It's authentic, we all agreed, move on. And if you've got some behind the scenes beef with folks, then keep it behind the scenes and don't lump everyone into your feuds. As far as jealousy, I don't have a shred of it towards you, I'm just sick of reading these attacks that seem to come up out of the blue.

Eric

And why would anyone remove your post? Just another unwarranted accusation.
 
Lynch mob mentality?
If saying things like, "we can get along fine without you," is lynch mob mentality, well, perhaps we are guilty.

I have a high regard for Bernard Levine, but even Bernard acknowledges that he doesn't know everything. In his Knife World column he gives details on how to contact him for that specific purpose. Bernard says something to the effect; “I know what I know”. Implicit it in that remark is the fact that he doesn't know everything.
I also have a great deal of respect for Herman Williams. The custom work he does is rarely equaled, and certainly not by me. He was probably the original customizer of Schrade's, and probably the best. I don't know what his credentials are as far as the history of Schrade production. (I do know that LT worked for Schrade and was given the title, "Curator of Antiquities." Apparently the management at Schrade thought that he knew what he was talking about in regard to old Schrade products).
I have great respect for both Bernard Levine and Herman Williams, both are tops in their field.
Irrespective of their qualifications and whether they are right or wrong: I have seen nothing posted from either of these men, as pertains to the authenticity of the calendar knife that he is referring to. All I have seen is his statement that he has these things. You'll have to forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical.

This Charlie he keeps referring to..... I don't think I know him. He must be a 7-foot tall red guy with horns on his head, a pitchfork and a tail. Or maybe make that a shovel, since he has been "digging" at him for four years. Get real! We've all been here. We've all read the posts. I know Charlie in the forum, we actually met three years ago at a show. We see each other each year at the OKCA show and we keep in touch throughout the year by telephone and e-mail. I think I know Charlie pretty well.
There's only one way I would describe Charlie, Charlie is “a class act.” Those of you who know me well have probably only heard me use this word in reference to other two men: the late Al Mar of Al Mar Knives and Les de Asis of Benchmade knives, both of these are men are/were "class acts" in every respect. They are/were men of honor, men of integrity and men who take time to help people out, people who can't do anything for them. Charlie is such a man.

As regards Charlie's alleged attacks on AAPK: it just so happens I am a moderator on AAPK, I try to read every post, or at least check it for content to be sure that there are not certain things happening there, like personal attacks. I read Charlie's posts anyway because I am interested in the same knives he is interested in and because I value what Charlie has to say. So I can assure you that Charlie has not made any personal attacks on anyone in AAPK.

I'm actually quite proud of that constraint and character shown by members of this forum. The members of this forum are not stooping to name-calling and insults. It serves no purpose, and is in my opinion, a sign of immaturity. I am happy to know all of you and to call you my friends. I appreciate your restraint in not lashing out and turning this forum into a flame war, in spite of what others may do.

Dale

PS- How could anyone remove his post?
He knows no one in this forum is a BF moderator.
 
Actually, it is against Bladeforums policy to remove posts. Only for really severe violations of the rules or illegal activity would we sequester a post offline. Removing it because we disagreed with the content or disliked the poster? Ridiculous, in fact: insulting. Insulting the moderators is a violation of the rules here, so let's not have any more of that. Insulting other members here is a violation of the rules as well.

You want people to be direct, Larry, but when they are, you accuse them of lynching you. Not what this forum is about. Stick to discussing the knives, and don't discuss the people.
 
Quote: "Stick to discussing the knives, and don't discuss the people"
Right On E.B. !!
roland
 
Larry,

I dont post here much at all and just recently have began to aquire an interest in traditionals...but I will say this..

I own probably 50 grand worth of knives. Compared to the friendships they are nothing more than pile of scrap steel, Bone, Stag, and assorted other junk.

Is one schrade knife...really worth the scorched earth policy? In my opinion..take the knife drop it in a bucket of salt water...and mend your fences..

Life is to short for so much anger..

Ren
 
Ren, You're quite an extraordinary man........





for someone that plays in the woods with rubber chickens. :rolleyes: ;)

Fran
 
Ren, I couldnt agree more mate as my posts on BF over the past 4/5 years will attest.I have made many many posts and submitted photos to support... all about Schrades and I would also have a collection of Schrades worth in excess of your figure....
All this was started and continued by the above knitting circle on Codger and myself and I have now' squared up' as I have only just had the second authoritive authentication in the past week as Herman has been unwell as you would all be aware.......
I would have thought an apology by the old girls knitting club would have been more in order instead of dropping their balls of wool and doing their familiar brown nose line dancing....I didnt see all this collective "brother hood of our hallowed knife fraternity "when the personal attacks were on Codger and myself and the knife which really is quite rare and should have had a place on this forum if not for the petty jealousies of those that had been told not to bid prior to auction end because it was nothing more than an Italian Latimar with wings.....too funny I was able to secure and show it was indeed authentic and not hitherto seen isnt that valid on a supposed collector forum ....Codger is well aware of my posts I will acept his condemnation but not from the old girls....pathetic..of course you want ny posts removed you feel a little uncomfortable!
Dale go back and read the garbage submitted by the chief knitters on AAPK who also post here regarding this knife being nothing more than a fake complete with bulls dropping crapp photos submitted by none other than Charlie...we didnt deserve all their nonsense..so where's the apology old ladies?....I can sleep with myself and there really are no winners over this as BF now becomes show and tell like the other pathetic forum.....
P.S. All my photos of Schrades from BF have been sent to lrv for his site so at least they are preserved for the good of Schrade History and because its not a forum they dont have to suffer all the Bull... and respected Schrade name deserves better than some of you serve up....might even show some of the bile emails I have received over past 6 months over this knife from none other than old women on this very forum...enough is enough....and some pretty rare Schrades remain in safe hands in Australia.....which of course gave rise to the petty jealousies in the first place....Bye ladies...
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Insulting the moderators is a violation of the rules here, so let's not have any more of that. Insulting other members here is a violation of the rules as well.

You want people to be direct, Larry, but when they are, you accuse them of lynching you. Not what this forum is about. Stick to discussing the knives, and don't discuss the people.
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What will it take to get through to you? Clearly, you have no intention of leaving here. You enjoy taunting people over an argument now obscure which would have been forgotten if you didn't persist in bringing it back up to embitter the entire forum.

Warnings fail. Infractions follow. Banning is a possibility. I could not care less about your precious, Larry. I do care about the decorum which you fail to observe.
 
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