A Friedrich Herder story

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Hey guys,

A couple of days ago I found a story which is part of the folkore around the Friedrich Herder knives, which were used for decades here in the northern part of the Netherlands and probably also in other parts of the country and in Germany, where they were made. Here is a picture of my Friedrich Herder; they were made in several sizes, mine is about 19.5 cm long and my parents gave it to me when I was fifteen. It was my second knife, I already had a SAK, but I lost that one.

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The background of the story is the country side in the north-east of the Netherlands, somewhere in the 50's or 60's, when land workers were traveling from farm to farm to find work and earn some money. Here it is (I had to translate it from a dialact which is spoken in the north-east of the Netherlands and English is not my first language, so there will probably be spelling and grammar errors):

On the other side of the bridge over the ditch stood a dog, a Dobermann, snarling and barking. Through my 8 year old eyes it looked like a monster. "Come, walk on!", my father said and he stepped upon the bridge. I followed him, with my eyes closed. The dog snarled and growled even harder and slowly walked upon the bridge, towards us. He was ready to jump. I quickly closed my eyes again. Suddenly I heard a splash. I opened my eyes and was afraid that my father fell into the water. But he stood there on the bridge and I saw him closing his knife, his razor sharp Herder, and put it back into his pocket. Beneath, in the ditch I saw the dead dog drifting. The water around it got red.

Then I saw and heard the farmer, he was shouting and ran towards us. When he stood in front of my father he shouted: "What did you do with my dog?!" There was a moment of silence and then my father replied: "I'm here to get my salary for the past week." My father had worked the whole week at this farm to harvest potatoes. He continued: "And who thinks I will not get my earned salary, will also disappear in the ditch." My father had his eyes fixed on the farmer and the farmer turned pale. Then he turned and walked back to his farm. We followed him and in the kitchen my father got his salary. "There will be no work for you here anymore", the farmer said. I saw on the look of my fathers face that he didn't even want to work at this farm anymore.

When my father died forty years later, my brothers and sisters had to divide the things he left. I wanted only one thing: his last Friedrich Herder knife, which now lays on the bottom of a copper box.
 
Nice story. Thanks for sharing! I've never heard of Friedrich Herder knives, but your post has my interest up.
 
Great story:thumbup:

I live in the North of The Netherlands as well and all I saw my Dad and Granddad carry were those "Herders"

Was my first knife as well.

However I suppose they don't make therm as they used to, because all the Herders my local hardware strore sells have bad fit and side to side play:thumbdn:
And I find they make the handles overly thick nowadays.

Would love to have a "good old one" though.

Only if it were for the memoriam of those 2 guys;)
 
Interesting story! Thank you. Could you link to the original Dutch story?

I know they have them at my local hardware store but never got as the handles looked very fat. I have no idea how wel the are made now a days. Robert Herder still makes nice once though, by the looks from this website: Robert Herder Hippekniep

Hippekniep is the German name for the sodbuster.

JD
 
I like the knife picture, the story and a man who refuses to be intimidated by the powerful. Well put!
 
Thanks guys.

I live in the North of The Netherlands as well and all I saw my Dad and Granddad carry were those "Herders"

Mine also carried their Herders and my father still has one that must be over 20 years old now, I remember that he lost one and then bought a new one. He didn't have a backup, maybe he thought he would never lose his knife or that he would just buy another if he lost it. Such a difference with me, I have a backup of some knives that I carry a lot and many other knives to choose from. My own one is 16 years old now and has a little bit blade play and I don´t carry it often for that reason, but it still cuts well.

Here is a link to the original text, which is written in Gronings, a dialect spoken in the north-east of the Netherlands.
http://loumeyer.nl/Friedrich%20Herder.html

Those made by Robert Herder look great too; didn't know they call it hippekniep in Germany.
 
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Thanks guys.



Mine also carried their Herders and my father still has one that must be over 20 years old now, I remember that he lost one and then bought a new one. He didn't have a backup, maybe he thought he would never lose his knife or that he would just buy another if he lost it. Such a difference with me, I have a backup of some knives that I carry a lot and many other knives to choose from. My own one is 16 years old now and has a little bit blade play and I don´t carry it often for that reason, but it still cuts well.

Here is a link to the original text, which is written in Gronings, a dialect spoken in the north-east of the Netherlands.
http://loumeyer.nl/Friedrich%20Herder.html

Those made by Robert Herder look great too; didn't know they call it hippekniep in Germany.

't blef 'n beetie 'n vremd dialect, dat grunnings :D
Wel mooi om te leez'n
Thanks a lot
Now to find a good one then:)
 
Great story. Those years after WWII were tough, especially, on those in Europe. I'm sure most would do whatever necessary to get their pay.
 
this company also made butcher steels & kitchen cutlery. they may still be at it at this time. thanks for the great story, is herder pronounced [ heey toor]?
 
More like "hair(but pronounced short) dur" :)

Exactly! Here they are on the web, even in English ;)

http://www.herder-solingen.de/e/profile/index.htm

Just yesterday I've been to a local knife show and saw Robert Herder Knives (they probably were somehow related 100 years ago or more) displayed on 3 tables. Mainly very nicely finished and wood handled kitchen and table knives. Scary sharp carbon steel! :eek:
One of them sees daily use for years now in our kitchen :thumbup:

Interesting thing is that Robert Herder has the windmill as their tang stamp.
They invented this tangstamp in 1905 when they were expanding their business to the Netherlands (!) and Belgium.

http://www.messer-mit-tradition.de/unternehmen.php

Interesting thread!

Peter
 
Good story. I spent just enough time in Groningen to be able to read the original version. I'm originally a farm boy from the southwestern clay, and my first knife when I was 8-9 years old was also a herder. I still proudly remember my father warning a potato mechant that borrowed it: "Take care, he keeps it verdomde sharp!"
 
Dear people,
I wish to thank you for your positive reactions on my story "Friedrich Herder". Since I'm retired, I write in my local language. The story with my father, the knife and the dog really happened. I'm still writing and your reactions push me up.
Thanks en greetings, Lou Meyer.
 
Dear people,
I wish to thank you for your positive reactions on my story "Friedrich Herder". Since I'm retired, I write in my local language. The story with my father, the knife and the dog really happened. I'm still writing and your reactions push me up.
Thanks en greetings, Lou Meyer.

Lou, it's a pleasure to have you visit our forum. Please know that you are welcome anytime! :cool::thumbup:
 
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