"A government agency".....

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Perhaps this is just me, but it seems that more and more knives are marketed as being designed by, for, or "with the cooperation of" various military or law enforcement groups or the almost meaninglessly vague "a government agency". Alternately they do not make any claim of "officialness" but instead imply that the use their product is the voluntary choice of the abovementioned groups.

Do you think that these claims are valid, or is it just marketing hype?

Although some of it is likely true, I would be astonished if the bulk of it was. I find it hard to believe that the government expends much time sitting down with knife producers to help them expand their product lines for free. In all likelihood it is similar to Luminox labeling their watches with everything from navy Seal to Stealth Fighter, pure macho marketing.

I suppose that something as broad as "designed for elite military uses" could be used for just about anything. Victorinox could claim that the Tinker was designed with commandoes in mind and there is not really any way to prove otherwise.

And even if these claims are all true, is the average consumer really better off with a product that has been designed for a different use entirely. In many ways the attributes that are desireable in some of the claimed applications would seem to be more of a drawback for a general useage knife. Of cuorse, there is also the question of whether a knife having been designed by/for/with SEALS make the product demonstrably better?

Are you impressed by the manufacturers' claims that their knives are somehow attached to military or law enforcement?

Personally I would prefer they use that same ad to provide me with more technical information on the design and construction of the product, rather than selling an image.
 
I can tell you why that happens. I have been enlisted for about 9 years and have seen lots of different knives that have been issue items. Everything from Benchmade autos, Microtech, Camillus, etc... get the picture? When we want something for a specific deployment and other types of operations, we get our suppy section to use the old IMPAC card to procure these items. I can only guess that when some of these companies get large orders for their tools then they get the coined term "official issue" and such. Some items are offical issue and some are one time buys. Hope that helps.
 
It is important to remember that the US Military does not trademark or copyright its names and logos.

Why? Because to be copyrighted or trademarked, something has to be used in "interstate commerce." The Hatch Act prohibits the military from involvement in domestic affairs with few exceptions. So, the Pentagon does not want to assert that the US Navy Seals, for example, are engaged in interstate commerce or that Operation Enduring Freedom had anything to do with interstate commerce. That would put them on dangerous legal ground.

As a result, anyone and everyone is free to claim that their thingie, whatever it is, is the "Official thingie of the US Navy Seals." And nobody will persue legal action against them.

As a result, most of the claims to "official thingie of the US Navy Seals," are completely false and meaningless.
 
BTW, I can not print and sell teeshirts that say "Nike" on them. Phil Knight will sick his legal bloodhounds on me faster than you can read this post. He's got a trademark on Nike.

I can't print and sell teeshirts that say "FDNY" either. The Fire Department of New York has a trademark on that. (Apparently, they put out fires in other states too.) And they've been known to enforce that trademark agressively.

But, I can print and sell all the US Navy Seals teeshirts I want.
 
Sure, it's all 'hype', but if you look at it from the manufacturers point of view, they are excited that their product is good enough for the military to use, so it should be great for the average Joe Blow to use, ann know they have a knife that was built to 'take it'.

Personally, I do look for NSN numbers on a knife when I'm shopping; some manufacturers list them, some don't. If they aren't listed, sometimes I'll call them and see what they have with NSN numbers. (NSN numbers are National Stocking Numbers in case you didn't know).

Just my 2 cents.
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
BTW, I can not print and sell teeshirts that say "Nike" on them. Phil Knight will sick his legal bloodhounds on me faster than you can read this post. He's got a trademark on Nike.

I can't print and sell teeshirts that say "FDNY" either. The Fire Department of New York has a trademark on that. (Apparently, they put out fires in other states too.) And they've been known to enforce that trademark agressively.

But, I can print and sell all the US Navy Seals teeshirts I want.

Was looking at an add for the Kimber TLE II,which is LAPD issue. That was the first time I noticed the little trademark sign by LAPD. Apparently they've got a trademark on it,too. I thought there was something odd about that.
 
I'm sure that lots of folks do make some sort of local purchase for any specific needs that they have. Off the top of my head, Benchmade for one has a couple of knives with NSN's. The 9050 for example is 1095-02-446-4348.
 
I'm sure that lots of folks do make some sort of local purchase for any specific needs

Oh yes, of course.

Benchmade, for example, makes some specialty knives that aren't in their catalog and don't have a NSN. The units that buy them do so through special contracts.

Emerson also makes specialty knives for some military units which are not offered to the public.

Gerber makes a special multitool specifically for bomb disarming. It's not a big market. I'm sure that they loose money on every one they sell.
 
The way I see it, most of marketing is hype. The basic purpose of a knife is to cut. What esle do you really need to advertise. Ok, it has CF scales - does that make it cut any better? No. It has S30V steel, does that really make it cut any better? Yes, no, maybe - depends on the user. How long was 440C used until it was no longer the super steel? Does that make it wrong or somehow BS to advertise that the knives you are making are used by the military or some other agency? I don't think so. I do think that the should have actually been used by that group and not just looked at. The funny thing that I see about all of this is the fact that companies will hype the fact they make knives for different groups, but there is a good chance you can't get them or may never even read or hear about this knife anywhere else. Yet, the knives many LEO's and military people carry through personal preference aren't referred to at all by the company. I think I would rather have the knives that the users buy by choice, not because some group wants to spend some money and get a new toy they may or may not need or use.

Regardless of the hype, we will still buy the knives we like. Some will be influenced by the marketing some won't. In the end, who cares, buy what you like and enjoy it.
 
Yes it is a bunch of hype. My younger brother is a Navy Seal and the only knife that his team is issued, is a Mission Ti knife. He says that the knife isn't issued to everyone, but only to those assigned to certain diving missions. He tells me that the team members buy their own knives, just like we did in the Army.
 
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