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Your attention please: I removed these 26 posts from The impossible has happened! I am disappointed in my first Spyderco! Chaparral Why? An occasional comment on nation of manufacture is often relevant. The pop geo-political lecturing back and forth was not.

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It seems a bit overpriced for a 2.9 inch blade. I can't see paying that much for a knife made in Taiwan. I've never had a problem with any of their USA made knives.
 
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It seems a bit overpriced for a 2.9 inch blade. I can't see paying that much for a knife made in Taiwan. I've never had a problem with any of their USA made knives.
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in all fairness, it's tough to compare a Made in USA spyderco to one made in CHINA (Taiwan). There ain't no thing like a Golden Spyderco.
 
tobotech said:

in all fairness, it's tough to compare a Made in USA spyderco to one made in CHINA (Taiwan). There ain't no thing like a Golden Spyderco.
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darthsoaker said:
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You know what? It's not even worth it any more.
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I hear you Darthsoaker. People need to read a little history to see that Taiwan is just as much part of the People's Republic of China as Texas is part of the United Mexican States. Oh wait, you mean they to tell me Taiwan isn't part of modern day China and Texas isn't part of modern day Mexico? Those dang books with all their words and education and stuff...:rolleyes:
 
jabba359 said:
I hear you Darthsoaker. People need to read a little history to see that Taiwan is just as much part of the People's Republic of China as Texas is part of the United Mexican States. Oh wait, you mean they to tell me Taiwan isn't part of modern day China and Texas isn't part of modern day Mexico? Those dang books with all their words and education and stuff...:rolleyes:
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apples and oranges. Your comparison would be more accurate to say Taiwan is to Japan as Texas is to Mexico.

my degree from UCLA is in international development with an emphasis on Asia, so I know more about this than most folks.

Taiwan is claimed to be a legitimate part of China by PRC. The international community doesn't recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Last summer, when I spoke to the Chinese ambassador to the UN at the Chinese embassy in Geneva, he refused to answer questions about Taiwan because PRC sees Taiwan as unequivocally part of China and is not up for discussion.

Taiwan does NOT hold a seat at the UN
"the UN members voted to consider the People's Republic of China as the only lawful representative of China at the UN and the UN chooses not to question its claim that Taiwan is part of China."

further evidence:
United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon stated that:
"The position of the United Nations is that the People's Republic of China is representing the whole of China as the sole and legitimate representative Government of China. The decision until now about the wish of the people in Taiwan to join the United Nations has been decided on that basis. The resolution (General Assembly Resolution 2758) that you just mentioned is clearly mentioning that the Government of China is the sole and legitimate Government and the position of the United Nations is that Taiwan is part of China."

so the point is that a knife made in Taiwan, such as the chaparral, is a knife made in China, which I believe answers the question in the title. I prefer my spydercos that are made in Colorado, USA vs those made in Taiwan, China.
 
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tobotech said:
apples and oranges. Your comparison would be more accurate to say Taiwan is to Japan as Texas is to Mexico.

my degree from UCLA is in international development with an emphasis on Asia, so I know more about this than most folks.

Taiwan is claimed to be a legitimate part of China by PRC. The international community doesn't recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Last summer, when I spoke to the Chinese ambassador to the UN at the Chinese embassy in Geneva, he refused to answer questions about Taiwan because PRC sees Taiwan as unequivocally part of China and is not up for discussion.

Taiwan does NOT hold a seat at the UN
"the UN members voted to consider the People's Republic of China as the only lawful representative of China at the UN and the UN chooses not to question its claim that Taiwan is part of China."

further evidence:
United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon stated that:
"The position of the United Nations is that the People's Republic of China is representing the whole of China as the sole and legitimate representative Government of China. The decision until now about the wish of the people in Taiwan to join the United Nations has been decided on that basis. The resolution (General Assembly Resolution 2758) that you just mentioned is clearly mentioning that the Government of China is the sole and legitimate Government and the position of the United Nations is that Taiwan is part of China."

so the point is that a knife made in Taiwan, such as the chaparral, is a knife made in China, which I believe answers the question in the title. I prefer my spydercos that are made in Colorado, USA vs those made in Taiwan, China.
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LOL. You're citing the UN!?!?!
 
tobotech said:

in all fairness, it's tough to compare a Made in USA spyderco to one made in CHINA (Taiwan). There ain't no thing like a Golden Spyderco.
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I don't think that the comparison is off the wall. Whether Taiwan is part of china, I've heard nothing but good about the Taiwanese knives (while I strongly prefer Golden or Seki.)

JohnnyLightOn said:
I don't think where the knife is made should have a bearing on its expected quality. That's Spyderco's concern; it shouldn't be the consumer's.
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What?! Speak for yourself.
 
tobotech said:
apples and oranges. Your comparison would be more accurate to say Taiwan is to Japan as Texas is to Mexico.

my degree from UCLA is in international development with an emphasis on Asia, so I know more about this than most folks.

Taiwan is claimed to be a legitimate part of China by PRC. The international community doesn't recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Last summer, when I spoke to the Chinese ambassador to the UN at the Chinese embassy in Geneva, he refused to answer questions about Taiwan because PRC sees Taiwan as unequivocally part of China and is not up for discussion.

Taiwan does NOT hold a seat at the UN
"the UN members voted to consider the People's Republic of China as the only lawful representative of China at the UN and the UN chooses not to question its claim that Taiwan is part of China."

further evidence:
United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon stated that:
"The position of the United Nations is that the People's Republic of China is representing the whole of China as the sole and legitimate representative Government of China. The decision until now about the wish of the people in Taiwan to join the United Nations has been decided on that basis. The resolution (General Assembly Resolution 2758) that you just mentioned is clearly mentioning that the Government of China is the sole and legitimate Government and the position of the United Nations is that Taiwan is part of China."

so the point is that a knife made in Taiwan, such as the chaparral, is a knife made in China, which I believe answers the question in the title. I prefer my spydercos that are made in Colorado, USA vs those made in Taiwan, China.
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This is a wicked post dude, but in the end its still your preference, I prefer my Spyderco's made in China, Then I use the rest of the money to feed my family next week.:thumbup:
 
Tobotech,

I am flabbergasted. If the UN said, for example, that the PRC should nuke Tibet, would that make it true? Just because a political body mostly composed of weaker nations bows to pressure from a strong nation on a decision in no way validates that decision. Please tell me you're not from the USA. :barf:

My next knife from Spyderco will likely be a ROC knife, not a PRC one (hey, look, different names and everything- but the world should be willing to allow a sovereign nation's rights to be crushed because of a UN decision).

John
 
Nowadays, it is really unclear where things are made. My IMAC is mostly made in China, but the prices are sure USA prices. Some GM engines are made in mainland
China, and my "Japanese" Accord is made in Indiana. Our older CRV was built in Japan, and I just heard (don't know if it is true) that those German Jettas are made in
China. I have a "Japanese" old Minolta camera that was made in Japan, but a newer version of the same old camera was built in China. I can't tell them apart.
My experience has been good with Taiwan made knives.
Knives are different than optics. Much of a camera, for example, is now made by robotic machines in factories, and people do little more than quality control and inspection.
My guess is that more handwork goes into knife production, but only the manufacturer can answer this question.
 
THG said:
I don't think that the comparison is off the wall. Whether Taiwan is part of china, I've heard nothing but good about the Taiwanese knives (while I strongly prefer Golden or Seki.)



What?! Speak for yourself.
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In the electronics world, USA has fallen last as far as quality/build. In automobiles as well. Actually in many other fields they have aswell.

China USA Taiwan Japan it does not matter. A japanese, chinese, or american are no less skilled then the other just by race alone.

Johnny not sure I am following you with Apple. They are badly designed/built machines. Overheating is common, flex is common, build quality issues is common (hinges loosen, screens Only thing they have going for them is popularity, and resale value.) Of course most people don't know this, after all 90 pcs/10 macs=makes PC problems look more common then not. After all if you take 100 pc's, and 100 macs chances are 17% of each will have defects. :O

I too enjoy buying USA-made products, but my priority is getting superior products. Origin does not matter to me, we are ALL from Earth.
 
This is off topic, but I have been using Apple computers since 1983, starting with an Apple II. I have used lots of them, and I have seen some defects, like a bad logic board, batteries go too quickly, and hard drives can crash.
On the other hand, they do not seem to get viruses. The OS is also much better, and I have to use PCs at work - so I am familiar with both types of machines.
All of them are made from parts produced overseas.
 
arty said:
This is off topic, but I have been using Apple computers since 1983, starting with an Apple II. I have used lots of them, and I have seen some defects, like a bad logic board, batteries go too quickly, and hard drives can crash.
On the other hand, they do not seem to get viruses. The OS is also much better, and I have to use PCs at work - so I am familiar with both types of machines.
All of them are made from parts produced overseas.
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OS gets viruses as well, and has been far less secure then Windows Vista/7 for the past 5+ years, and running. Specially with Windows 7's release, OSX has been criticized for not providing adequate security/security support. OSX has been targeted for malware during this past year, which is the #1 risk now a days. With windows 7 support/removal tools are available, in fact Microsoft writes many articles for many exploits/malware from how they work, to how to remove them. Try looking for the same kind of support for OSX. Apple themselves took a "don't deny don't confirm" approach to a particular Malware infection, who knows how many clients were swindled because of this failure to act to protect consumers.

Not sure what you mean by OS is much better. It's off topic but meh. I've been acquainted with computers since I was 9 years old, and currently have a family business for computer repair, services, etc. I am very familiar with Windows and OSX as well as hardware for Apple and other manufacturer's PCs. I both fix, and build machines. Anything from building low end office machines to high end systems using water cooling, phase changers, to custom mod cases.

My #1 choice of OS would be modified ubuntu, for quick boot (approx 11 sec boot time, with mechanical hard drive not sure what it does with SSD haven't tried because with SSD in doing nearly the same time), however my #1 use OS is Windows 7 due to some programs I use, some neat features as well as better scaling for performance for both professional work, and gaming.

Both Apple/PC's are made with foreign parts, in foreign countries. There is not one manufacturer making computers here unfortunately.

Here's a few of the computers I've owned or own.

Dell E6500 Macbook Pro 13.3", that's my channel. Both were mine. Sold the MBP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Pry19IOh4

The Dell E6500's teardown I made and posted in Ifixit.com: This one was given to my dad, well traded or gave away rofl.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell-Latitude-E6500-Teardown/4398/1
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/fShBK4n1UAZ1V5ou.medium

This here was my pride and joy, Dell Precision M6500 workstation laptop. Not even going to mention how much it cost me. Built like a tank, with Accidental warranty and next day with onsite tech support. I also had the option of receiving parts and installing them my self due to my work. Sold it, got the Envy 17.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Crimsony/Dell Precision M6500/IMG_0224.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Crimsony/Dell Precision M6500/IMG_0214.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Crimsony/Dell Precision M6500/IMG_0207.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Crimsony/IMG_0217_2.jpg

This is one of two Envy 17, Sandy Bridge model. I was one of the first to receive an HP Envy 17 using Sandy Bridge processors, as I was dealing with HP Research Lab, I had access to any product from HP, even if it was not released. Build quality wasn't that good, meh. HP gave me a damn headache. I had two of these. Running almost max specs. 8gb DDR3, 2820QM processors, 2x640GB HDD in RAID 0, 3D 120hz 1080P Display. Sold both of them, massive issues with the two laptops, and headaches with HP.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Crimsony/IMG_0222.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Crimsony/IMG_0226.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Crimsony/IMG_0220.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Crimsony/IMG_0215.jpg
(My previous Thinkpad is on the left, It's a Lenovo T61 Thinkpad, nice laptop way better then any MBP in construction/quality.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Crimsony/IMG_0229.jpg
 
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tobotech said:
so the point is that a knife made in Taiwan, such as the chaparral, is a knife made in China, which I believe answers the question in the title.
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:D:D:D Because the UN says so!!. That is priceless. Of all the do-nothing, let-things-be set ups in the world you choose the UN to figure as an arbiter in your cutlery choices
 
People should fold up their Masters diplomas already And put them back in their nice oak frames before they put someones eye out inadvertently. This is afterall a knife forum, and not a poly sci or geography class.
 
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