A Knife Reviewer Is Born...

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but isn't thriving. I bought my wife a Mother's Day present that came in a very large cardboard box, and since I had read about the big boys using cardboard as a medium to test the cutting ability and edge holding of knives they were testing, I thought--"Here is all this lovely cardboard, and I have all these knives, so why don't I do my part to contribute to the vast body of knife performance knowledge in this, my favorite forum. So with a handful of knives, I set out to conduct a serious cutting test.

Two of the knives I carry quite a bit are the Benchmade 940 and Newt Livesay's N.R.G.S. neck knife. So I thought I'd start with them.

But there were problems.

First of all, I was conducting my test outside, and there was about a 25 mph wind, which made it difficult to hang on to that big piece of cardboard. Also, I rubbed a blister on my hand.

After 76 cuts, the Livesay blade was still cutting and showing no sign of stopping any time soon. So I grabbed my Benchmade and commenced testing and reviewing it. After I had tested and reviewed it to the tune of about 73 cuts, it was still cutting too. So I felt that the time had come to stop and reflect a moment on the test and review up to that point.

I was in a car wreck and suffered a pretty severe back injury, which I am not completely recovered from, so my back was also killing me from sitting on my dog box, bending over , and testing and reviewing those two knives.

My 5 year old little boy came running out of the house about two thirds of the way through the test and review bringing me two other knives he was interested in seeing tested and reviewed. But at thiis point in the testing/reviewing process, I was reaching the conclusion that I should probably leave the exhaustive, scientific testing and reviewing to the professionals.

As far as the results of my test, I have carefully tabulated the results and have concluded that if you cut enough cardboard with a Livesay N.R.G.S. neck knife and a Benchmade 940, your knives will eventually get dull, your hand will blister, and your back will hurt.

I hesitate to launch this probing and definitive review into public view for fear I will be inundated with calls from the likes of Steven Dick and J. Bruce Voyles requesting my services as a reviwer and tester. Frankly, I'm not sure my back would take it.
 
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One of the best and certainly one of the more useful reviews I've ever read.
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I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
I agree completely! Fine job Coonskinner.

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Save your back -- put the 5-year-old to work! I'm sure it's about time he started earning his keep around there anyway
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Joe
 
I think that is the first time a knife tester has tested himself!

I think you have taught us an interesting lesson too. We focus a lot on edge holding and such, but instead we should ask whether or not a knife will hold its edge just as ong as our backs do! If your back goes out before your edge, the knife steel is fine!

Are we going to see an aspirin vs. tylenol vs. Robaxacet review next?

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I learned this same lesson while comparing ATS-34, M-2, and CPM440V a long time ago. I sliced up everything in sight over the period of three days, spending several hours in total. Still couldn't tell the difference between the three edges. The differences in edge holding ability of premium cutlery steels are for the hard core user who has to sharpen several times a day. Otherwise, you will never be able to appreciate them.
 
You know, I wrote this kind of tongue in cheek, but in all honesty, I was trying to make a point. Like everyone else, I read with great interest the evaluations of the performance of different cutlery steels, but if a steel is ever created that holds its edge forever, all of us who pride ourselves on our sharpening technique are going to hate it. The only time I ever really needed a knife that held an edge longer than the one I had in my pocket was back when I was coon hunting hard about 5 nights a week and skinning several coon per night. Skinning down the head will knock an edge off fast, because you are cutting directly against bone. I solved my dilemma by carrying more than one knife--a real high tech solution. If I had had the money to buy a really good knife, I might have gotten by with just one. But at that time, I was selling those coon hides to make a little Christmas money to supplement my day job. Now that I am able to afford a little better quality knives, I really don't need them as bad. With the exception of big game guides and a few other folks, I imagine most of the people who really use knives a lot probably get by with knives we experts wouldn't be seen carrying. That doesn't mean we ought to give up our quest for the ultimate knife, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to get a little perspective.
 
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A couple of years ago, I decided to test about a dozen different blade materials for edge holding. I had an old S&W lockback in some unspecified "Brand X" stainless steel, which I decided to use as a baseline. My thought was to take each edge from "hair poppin" to "skating dull" on sisal rope--cut with each blade until it wouldn't cut anymore--recording the number of times each blade severed the rope as an index. After a couple of hundred cuts with the Brand X steel, I was still getting through the rope no problem, but I had to put on work gloves just to make it that far. To avoid buying several miles of rope and a case of Advil, I had to change my criteria to how many cuts it took before each edge would no longer shave. Still had blades that were shaving hair after 100-plus cuts.

That reviewing stuff is hard work! IMO, anyone who hasn't tried it just doesn't have a full appreciation of the tenacity of a truly hard-core tester like Cliff Stamp.

Still grinning...

-w
 
Nice review and good points, Coonskinner. The only critters I've skinned are birds, so I'll take your word on the coon heads.

It is easy to type and theorize, but doing the job, whether testing, making, breaking, using, etc., not only takes a lot or work, but time away from the family, which none of us like.

I have found pretty conclusively that knife points dull much quicker when you miss the wood your are trying to stab and drive it into the concrete floor.
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A few months ago I decided to put a simple Buck 110 to the test. There we were a bucket of sisal rope, a cutting board, a bathroom scale, and a lowly 420HC blade.

No sweat, I thought, just cut through that rope and keep an eye on the scale measurement so that its honest. I arbitrarilly decided that if I applied 30Lbs of pressure, and the blade failed to sever the rope in one pass, that it would be dull for the purpose of the test.

I went at it for over an hour and something like 240 cuts before it finally tipped the scale. So, I did it again, until I finally had to stop to soak my hand and get rid of a two foot pile of Sisal. Its a good thing i didn't try it with a premium steel.

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I can find the limits of the lesser steels pretty easily. I recently did a comparison between a handmade CPM420V Arc Lite and a 420HC Camillus ARCLITE, just to see how much extra cutting a person gets for their $200. I found that, on cardboard, the CPM420V knife would easily keep cutting at least three times as long as the 420HC blade, if not more.

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The 420V on the left was still cuttin well when I quit. The 420HC was dull to the point that it was tearing as much as it was cutting.
 
Thanks, Steve. Nice job.

Now, how 'bout a look at that same 420V against a David Boye BDS blade and maybe something in Stellite 6K? Of course, you'll probably need a few more boxes...heh, heh, heh...

-w
 
what about further testing after doing the cardboard test. Easy testing, minimal effort, like, are the knives shaving sharp?, which will cut paper better etc. You don't have make the knife butter knife sharp to get results.
 
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