A Little disappointed...

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For years now I'd come to think of Camillus Cutlery as, if you'll the pardon the cliche, "as American as apple pie".

Then I'm flipping through the latest Camillus products (be warned, I've been off the knife scene for some time, so this knife may not be as new to you as it is to me) and I see this thing called the Camillus HEAT.

"Groovy" I say, "A Smaller, affordable Dominator is always a nice ide..." and then I pause and notice the blade material listed as AUS-8.

I blink deliberately for a few moments to make sure I'm not looking at some typographical error, but you'd have to be a pretty confused typist to intercharge "AUS8" and something like "440A" or "420HC".
My mind ponders this briefly but the answer is obvious, this knife isn't made in the United States.

Now here's the part I don't understand, or perhaps I understand it all too well: In the days when everyone's pockets were lined with gold and gas only cost about $1.10 a gallon (not so long ago, indeed), companies like Spyderco and Al Mar continued to sell Japanese knives, fine. Later, we saw Emerson enter the low-priced foreign fray with their Hard Wear series. And finally, I witnessed Benchmade go through some large-scale product restructuring. But I see this, and it almost makes me want to cry. Today, when our national economy is in such a poor position due to the very exportation of manufacturing jobs such as these, my old faithful Camillus lapses to the dark side.

I will, however, attempt to be compassionate enough and assume that the reason for this has quite a bit less to do with greed and more to do with being competitive in a time when people are simply buying less expensive knives, although, as far as I can tell, Camillus has been well able to produce afford American-made knives (Beckers, CQB Black Ops, Various Slipjoints, Arclite, and EDC).

So would someone explain to me why in the time when we need someone to stand up the most, Camillus has stepped down?
 
Anthony Lombardo said:
Quick, go sell all your electronics now before you blow a gasket!


:)

Not to mention your car, even if it's supposedly made in America.
 
If you actually read my post, this isn't about how everything I have must be American-made. This is about a frightening trend towards more and more things that still were American shipping jobs overseas. I'd like to know why Camillus has decided to follow this trend.

So quit handing me the nonsense about "There's so much other foreign stuff, why shouldn't our stuff be foreign, too?". Just because there are a number of foreign knives/cars/electronics/whatever doesn't mean good companies shouldn't keep striving for American made products.

So once again, I reitorate for those of you willing to read my post thoughtfully and generate a meaningful discussion, why is Camillus now shipping jobs overseas like so many others?
 
YoungCutter said:
So once again, I reitorate for those of you willing to read my post thoughtfully and generate a meaningful discussion, why is Camillus now shipping jobs overseas like so many others?

Buck, Camillus, Spyderco, Emerson and other American companies have three outlets for their knives. Joe Sixpack who buys the best knife he can for less than $ 20, Joe Sportsman who buys the best he can for less than $ 50, and Joe Forum who researches knives and buys the best he can for the most he scrounge up.

The great American knife companies continue to make knives here in America that sell to us forumites partly subsidized by the profit they make from selling thousands more knives to the average uninformed American buying public. If you want to support American business buy from companies who are located here in the US but include those who's products contain both domestically made and offshore products designed in the US.
 
YoungCutter said:
So once again, I reitorate for those of you willing to read my post thoughtfully and generate a meaningful discussion, why is Camillus now shipping jobs overseas like so many others?


Its called Economics. Camillus can be proud 100% american made and go bankrupt, or they can accept the reality of a global economy. Its exactly the same reason Ford makes cars in Mexico, Toyota makes cars in Tennessee and BMW makes cars in South Carolina.

So where does one draw the line? Should Camillus only buy steel from ore that has been mined and processed in the united states using US equipment and non immigrant labor? Complete nonsense.

I like bicycles as an example. Aluminum bought from wherever, formed to tubes in the US, tubes shipped to Taiwan to be robot welded, frames shipped back to US to be assembled into bikes with parts from who knows where. Even though my bike is from 25 different countries, its still fun to ride.

I grew up in a little town in North Carolina that had 3 textile mills and one lumber mill. They are all closed now. The lumber mill was converted to a recycling plant and I don't know what became of the textile mills. Is the area dead? No, in fact its booming, the economy has just shifted from production to other areas.
 
Did you ever for one minute think that maybe Camillus does not have the resources to the build the Heat because they are stretched doing other large-scale products?

A lot of out sourcing is done so companies can build something NOW instead of waiting until later.

It isn't quite as simple as you put it.
 
I too will not purchase a "Taiwan" knife unless it's under $50. When I first heard about the Heat, I thought maybe it would be a SS framelock with 154CM steel. Much like the EDC. I was somewhat surprised to see that wasn't what I expected. I hear nothing but great things about the Heat though.
 
First off, ask the now "out of work" craftsman from Schrade how they feel about foreign intervention in the American knife market. "Rough Rider" anyone?
Granted with some things we just do not have a choice, but with knives we DO have a choice. Second, I'm disappointed with the Camillus newsletter I just received today, where is the club knife announcement that was supposed to be coming in this newsletter? Until today I was simply wanting to know where is the newsletter, still disappointing even now that a newsletter has FINALLY arrived. :barf:
BUT... on the good side. In the catalog that was included, I'm really liking the looks of the Carbon Series, as well as the three blade Whittler. Does anyone know if these are in genuine bone, if so I'm ready to buy! I also am very glad to see Camillus continuing on with the classic scout knives, anyone know what the Norman Rockwell knife is all about, hard to tell in the picture?

Dan
 
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