A little Sunday afternoon Firecraft.

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Here's what's on the menu for today:
My Uber-trusty BK-16, A couple of Fresnel lenses found at my local small-fart, and a "fire turtle" -- basically a flint & steel kit my brother made years ago that I somehow managed to borrow to get some practice in with :D

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Part I: The Fresnel method:
I wasn't certain that this would work in the cool autumn afternoon, as my previous Fresnel fires were done on warmer days, but a little persistence paid off.

Step one is to make tinder. I used some fine shavings, and some coarser... My BK-16 does shavings easy, and the squared spine makes some of the finest shavings I can produce. I mixed those together with some bits of dry leaf and some cottony grass I found for my tinder ball. It speaks well of the ergos that it's easy to do the spine shavings in basically a reverse grip.

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Here's the proof of concept on the el-cheapo Fresnel... when you get things aligned right, it should burn a smoldering hole through a leaf in seconds...

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Here we see about what it looks like when you're in business with a Fresnel (it's really hard to photo this alone) the keys are to get the lens between the sun and the tinder, and to cast a small oblong shaped beam of light on the tinder. It doesn't have to look white, but it does have to be bright and steady on one spot.

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... And after a little patience, and re-sorting the tinder, we've got open flame!

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A few tips/ what I learned:
1.) Mix dry leaves into the tinder bundle. Smolder them and then fan/blow until the small shavings, etc. catch.
2.) The sun should feel warm when attempting this. A few minutes after my success, the sun cooled off and My followup was thwarted.
3.) Be moblie. the sun is constantly moving and you need to follow it for best results.
4.) treat the smolder like the coal from a bow drill and you will do better.
5.) The 2.5x (red package) worked better than the 2x (bluish package) but both were serviceable
6.) some breeze is a good thing, more breeze sucks.
7.) for the weight/bulk, we should probably all carry a tiny Fresnel. This is a low-exertion Firecraft method.


Part II: Flint and Steel
This is a method that I've been able to do for a number of years, but with my spotty practice, I get inconsistent results.

Step one is to, of course, prepare a tinder bundle. For this I used more of the fine spine shavings and some mini-fuzzsticks done with the 16's edge and light pressure. I also used the cottony grass, but it proved to be a hinderance for this method.

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Here, I show the method I used to hold the charcloth to the flint, I'm sure there's other ways, but this catches a spark easily for me. The sparks tend to roll along the top of the flint you can control the area the sparks land in with the pressure and speed of the strike.

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I was trying to be all cool and strike it with my 16's spine... it's heat treat is such that it makes a better flint knapping tool than a striker :D :D :D The upside is that you can use this to create a spot to strike with... the flint gets "duller" over time and a fresh-knapped edge throws sparks more easily.

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Strike both in to the flint and across it. Once you get a spark to land on the charcloth, it's game on!
Blow to keep the ember smoldering. Putting a little charcloth into the tinder bundle will make your life easier. Please forgive the out of focus shot, but multitasking apparently makes focusing suffer...

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Here's the smolder blown into a small fire...

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GOAL!!!

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Things I learned here:
1.) You cannot possibly have too much charcloth on hand.
2.) What is good tinder for one method might hinder another.
3.) BK-16's are Hard :D
4.) it's neat to think of finding a rock and striking it with your knife in the woods to make fire, but it might not work out the way you hope. --test your gear!
5.) There's something very satisfying about beating stuff together until there's a fire!

I had a lot of fun doing this, Thanks for looking, and hope you learned something!
 
Very nice......I try to carry a pair of high def reading glasses.....partly for fire and partly to help with splinters and such.....much easier to juggle tweezers with reading glasses.......A fresnel is always in my wallet as back up......

Great post pointy........Very helpful.......Thanks.....

Ethan
 
All I did today was trim the rest of the rose bushes with the 9. Thanks for making me feel like a loser Pointy.Great post, and now Ive got some tips from you on Fresnel lensing.
 
Good job Z! I had fully intended to get out and try my hand and some sort of firecraft today but ended up on the downstairs couch playing Halo 4 with the boy. Think I woulda had a better time starting fire to be honest. Oh well, always got tomorrow.
 
Good job Z! I had fully intended to get out and try my hand and some sort of firecraft today but ended up on the downstairs couch playing Halo 4 with the boy. Think I woulda had a better time starting fire to be honest. Oh well, always got tomorrow.

Hey Derek, respectfully, I've started a lot of fires over the years. I wish my son was your son's age, so I could spend the afternoon playing Halo 4 (whatever that is) with him. Much preferred over fire making from my perspective. You have your whole life to make fires - the kids grow very fast! (A lament from an old geezer who can't turn back the clock. :( )

Doc
 
Good thread Pointy. Make me want to get a flint steel/striker.
 
Very nice......I try to carry a pair of high def reading glasses.....partly for fire and partly to help with splinters and such.....much easier to juggle tweezers with reading glasses.......A fresnel is always in my wallet as back up......

Great post pointy........Very helpful.......Thanks.....

Ethan

Thanks, boss! glad you enjoyed!
Heckuva good point about reading glasses for splinters, I can see myself taping a Fresnel to a stick I jammed in the dirt now, lol :D

All I did today was trim the rest of the rose bushes with the 9. Thanks for making me feel like a loser Pointy.Great post, and now Ive got some tips from you on Fresnel lensing.

You're a brave man, after my teenage years, (and one particularly thorny day's pruning) I would rather have to conjure fire from a wet sponge than to trim a rose bush again! It's good that you had the king on your side :D

Very informative and encouraging to a noob like myself... Nice tips and pics.

Glad you enjoyed! A little patience and a decent plan will get you everywhere you want to be.

Good job Z! I had fully intended to get out and try my hand and some sort of firecraft today but ended up on the downstairs couch playing Halo 4 with the boy. Think I woulda had a better time starting fire to be honest. Oh well, always got tomorrow.

Eh, you were burning time instead of tinder, I say close enough!
 
Hey Derek, respectfully, I've started a lot of fires over the years. I wish my son was your son's age, so I could spend the afternoon playing Halo 4 (whatever that is) with him. Much preferred over fire making from my perspective. You have your whole life to make fires - the kids grow very fast! (A lament from an old geezer who can't turn back the clock. :( )

Doc

Had I gone the fire route instead of the video games he woulda been with me. I need someone to do the dirty work like gathering up the wood while I just do the easy parts! ;)
 
No worries man. The remark about how I would rather the fire was directed towards his and I's opinion of the game. Neither of us was really impressed with it.
 
Hey Derek, respectfully, I've started a lot of fires over the years. I wish my son was your son's age, so I could spend the afternoon playing Halo 4 (whatever that is) with him. Much preferred over fire making from my perspective. You have your whole life to make fires - the kids grow very fast! (A lament from an old geezer who can't turn back the clock. :( )

Doc
Very well said Doc. I'm just crazy lucky my sons love what I do!!!
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I think we might get a shot at some firemaking here at the house today provided the wind lets up a little bit. And that I can find some wood for burnin.
 
Very well said Doc. I'm just crazy lucky my sons love what I do!!!
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First off, frickin' ADORABLE picture man! Your boy sounds quite precocious!

Second, did anyone else look at this picture a cringe a bit about the 2 or was that just me?

3) If he is doing most of the baton work, maybe get him a 16 instead of the 14 as his first.

D) There isn't really a D, except to reiterate how cute that picture is!
 
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