A little underwhelmed first slipjoint purchase.

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Well I guess not exactly my first since I have a SAK. But I recently got a northwoods stockman made by queen. I returned it due to some cosmetic issues with the stag on one side. But I had it around for a couple of days. I was surprised how difficult it was to open. The smaller spey blade was particularly stubborn, broke a nail. My modern folding knives are definitely a lot smoother and easier to open.

I may give them another try because I'm drawn to them aesthetically. But I think I've taken a side in the traditional vs. modern pocket knife debate ;) .
 
I like slipjoints,but I think that most brands could use a little more consistency in fit and finish and in the strength of springs,factory edges etc.
 
Try a 2005 forward Case. All my recent Case knives have been excellent right out of the box. I have some Queen and some Schatt & Morgan that are excellent, but I have gotten some that had issues as well.
 
Best to go to a big knife show or store and hand pick one.

I also, have found the newer Case knives to be more consistent and better quality than most of the production slips. I really like the German brands too.
 
My new Robeson/Queen has very strong springs also, as do some older Queen knives I've handled. I think that's characteristic of that brand.

-Bob
 
Well I guess not exactly my first since I have a SAK. But I recently got a northwoods stockman made by queen. I returned it due to some cosmetic issues with the stag on one side. But I had it around for a couple of days. I was surprised how difficult it was to open. The smaller spey blade was particularly stubborn, broke a nail. My modern folding knives are definitely a lot smoother and easier to open.

I may give them another try because I'm drawn to them aesthetically. But I think I've taken a side in the traditional vs. modern pocket knife debate ;) .

Its my feeling that there is a tendincy of some knife manufacturers to make the springs too strong and over do the walk and talk thing. If you handle some of the old knives there is good walk and talk without breaking a nail. If a knife is a nail breaker, then something is wrong.

When I was a kid and I had the good fortune to handle some of the knives of my grandad and his quail hunting cronies, there was a mixture of barlows, stockmen, and simple jack's of various brands, and none of them were too hard for my 6 year old fingers to open. Look at a modern Victorinox made pocket knife, and they are so well polished and fit, that they open smoothly with no nail breaking. I'm not sure how they do it, but for the first 1/4 to 1/3 of the way open they are very easy to pull out of the handle, then get a progressive feeling resistance for the last half of the way when they have that good final snap to fully opened. Its almost like they use a different radius on the opposite corners of the tang. I bought a new Buck stockman (most likely a Camillus) in 1967 at an army PX, and over the course of 25 years it felt the same as the day I bought it. It walked and talked just fine and still does. It was never a hard to open knife.

The very physics of the forces at work when cutting with a slip joint keeps the knife open, overly strong springs are not needed. I don't know why Queen does this, but they seem to make alot of their knives that are in that type. Most of the Case pocket knives I've seen don't have springs that are nail breakers, nor are most of the Schrade Old Timers that were the standby of working folks for many years. Heck, some of the European shepards knives and penny knives don't even have a backspring, yet they have been popular for centuries.

If your Queen was a nail breaker it should have been sent back, something was not done right. I think alot of modern makers have lost the art of making the spring tempered and adjusted right. Alot of the old cutlers who knew how to fit a pocket knife are gone, and thats the pity of it.

Just for the heck of it, go to smoky mountain knifeworks and get a Victorinox Pioneer settler. Its a good sleeveboard pattern two blade jack with the alox handles. You will see what a nicely fitted and adjusted pocket knife should feel like. Use that as a benchmark to compare others to. Also, Buck still makes their 301 stockman and 303 cadet here in the U.S.A., and Paul Bos does their heat treat. Very good servicable knives for a good price. No nail breakers there.

Of course you can get a Case peanut to try out a slip joint, but thats risky, they can get addictive. There's the bone stag, the red bone, the amber bone....
 
One other solution is to get your slipjoints from Cumberland Knife Works.

Order by phone, and tell them exactly what you want--and ask them to take it out of the box and look at it/ open and close it, etc. In addition to price, this is one example of how customer service (in the folksy sense) keeps the guy in business.:thumbup:

If I am not mistaken, the guys at Vintage Knives will do it too.

Those companies both specialize in traditional knives.
 
Try one of the new XX tested Case knives. I've got two - a stockman and a barlow - both came with scary sharp 154-Cm blades and excellent fit and finish. These knives (as well as a Case/Bose Muscrat) restored my faith in American Slipjoints.
 
My most recent purchases have all been great...with one exception. July was good to me and I managed to pick up:

Case Scout Jr,
Case Bartender
Schatt & Morgan File & Wire Wildcat Driller
Schatt & Morgan Harness Jack
and a Camillus Cubscout Utitlity Knife

All but the Schatt & Morgan opened great, the Wildcat Driller was a little stiff at first but has opened up nicely and indeed has become my EDC.

That darn Harness Jack...not quite a nail breaker but tighter than I like them.

I believe that all knives have their own "personality" and it just takes a little bit of time for me to either adjust my expectations or the knife wears itself in.

I was once a modern tactical knife guy...who has come back to traditional folders, so maybe my experiences are just taking me into another direction than yours.
 
If y'all keep this up I'll have to get off my wallet one day and buy myself a new Case. I haven't done that in many years now. But you're right about the quality of Victorinox folders. I am always astonished at how nicely fitted and finished they are, and for so little money, too. I guess it's just quantity buying but one of my recent favorites is the Victorinox Solo (single blade, larger than average) with what I've seen called red nylon handle scales, and I am shocked that these fine, traditional knives are made so well in Switzerland, and yet Smoky Mountain Knife Works can sell them for only $5.99 + S&H. If you want one, the last time I looked they were marked "closeout" so hurry up. www.eknifeworks.com
 
only $5.99 + S&H. If you want one, the last time I looked they were marked "closeout" so hurry up.
I ordered one of those, and it's a heckuva knife for $5.99!!

I also bought a few of the closeout Wenger sport models, a Vic Rally, and a couple others. All are incredible bargains.

-Bob
 
This is interesting. I've never been a "tacticool" guy, though I have one with a serrated blade for cutting rope. A slipjoint rides in my pocket right now and has since I was nine or ten.

If you think Queens are bad, find an old mint Imperial Kamp King. lol
 
I started buying slipjoints recently, so all the knives in my collection are fairly new. I've tried different brands, and so far Case has worked best for me. The prices are good, there are lots of patterns to choose from, attractive handle materials and so far the only problem I've had is a less than ideal factory edge that took a few swipes on a fine grit pocket stone to fix (the edges were too "toothy" or had a wire edge).

I tried Queen, their knives are very attractive but my experience with them was rather frustrating. I ordered a Mountain Man (Schatt & Morgan 1 of 100) and a RAT cattleknife (also a limited edition) and they came with butterknife edges. I spent hours working on that RAT folder, since it has all the features I want in an EDC knife, but grinding D2 without power tools isn't easy, so I gave up. That's it with Queen for me.

GEC also makes a nice knife, the number of models is limited and because of the strong springs and square tangs they aren't the smoothest openers, but they work really well.

IMHO, Case is the best company to start getting a feel for the different slipjoint patterns available. They aren't perfect, but they are quite good.
 
One other solution is to get your slipjoints from Cumberland Knife Works.

Order by phone, and tell them exactly what you want--and ask them to take it out of the box and look at it/ open and close it, etc. In addition to price, this is one example of how customer service (in the folksy sense) keeps the guy in business.:thumbup:

If I am not mistaken, the guys at Vintage Knives will do it too.

Those companies both specialize in traditional knives.

I agree about Cumberland, very service-minded and this is vital if like me, you have to buy nearly all your knives on-line or postal.

My experience with new Case models has been EXCELLENT no fit or finish quibbles at all. Sadly, this is not the same with Queen or its offshoot Schatt&Morgan. Wonderful knives to look at, but troublesome to open, plenty of gaps in the metal, rough edges etc. Not major faults, BUT if Case can avoid them, so should they.But perhaps I've just been unlucky.
 
If you haven't done so yet, you will eventually get a custom slipjoint (it's a natural progression for knife knuts). Then you will be in for a real treat.
 
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