A little Where and When?

waynorth

waynorth

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Here is a sample of crosspollination; a knife with an assumed name! A half-breed; an inter-racial baby!
Now that I have offended everyone I can think of, with my "PC" remarks, I beg your forgiveness, and a little help.
Please tell me if you can, how many cutleries used the Hammer brand, and who made this one in particular, and also when was it done??
A lot of questions for one knife; the handles are imitation peachseed. Thanks to all!
HammerStockFull.jpg

HammerStockTang.jpg
 
I have a fixed blade that has that mark.When I asked about it someone posted a chart of them showing the changes.The search function is down right now or as usual but you may try latter.Not much but all I have.Arnold
 
It is an Imperial mark. They acquired it some years after New York Knife went under. So to answer your questions about owners of the mark, two. Well three if you add in Imperial Schrade after Baer bought Imperial. I don't believe NYK used the U.S.A. beside the Hammerbrand mark.

Michael
 
Thanks Arnold, Michael, and Bill!
If Imperial/Ulster bought Schrade in 1946, and the tang stamp was used 1945-1955, it's possible the knife was made at any of the factories owned by the Baer Brothers. The question is; which one??
I've added the dated tang drawings from KnifeWorld Mag.
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Charlie;

After the Hammer Brand trademark was obtained by Imperial in the 30's, it was of course used on the millions of "shell handled" knives that were sold under the "Jack Master" trademark, and this continued after the merger of Imperial/Schrade/Kingston/Ulster into the 1950's.

It is my experience based on observation over the years that you will also find the Hammer Brand mark on a very few knives made by Imperial Schrade using Ulster tooling; that is to say that they are identical to the 1950's and 1960's Ulster knives but have the Hammer Brand marking.....your stockman is one of these knives. So it was still "in the family" so to speak, just made on different tooling than the shell handled knives made at the Imperial factory.

Maybe Imperial Schrade made a line of Hammer Brands using the Ulster tooling for a short while - in my 30 plus years I have only seen maybe a dozeon of them in total.
 
knifeaholic said:
Charlie;

After the Hammer Brand trademark was obtained by Imperial in the 30's, it was of course used on the millions of "shell handled" knives that were sold under the "Jack Master" trademark, and this continued after the merger of Imperial/Schrade/Kingston/Ulster into the 1950's.

It is my experience based on observation over the years that you will also find the Hammer Brand mark on a very few knives made by Imperial Schrade using Ulster tooling; that is to say that they are identical to the 1950's and 1960's Ulster knives but have the Hammer Brand marking.....your stockman is one of these knives. So it was still "in the family" so to speak, just made on different tooling than the shell handled knives made at the Imperial factory.

Maybe Imperial Schrade made a line of Hammer Brands using the Ulster tooling for a short while - in my 30 plus years I have only seen maybe a dozen of them in total.
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I always appreciate your thoughtful comments, knifeaholic; may your addiction to knives never be cured:eek:!!:D:thumbup:
 
I saw something from the start that has bothered me.To old wore out eyes your stamp doesn't match the others in the diagram.The fingers and grip on the handle is different.Arnold
 
Glad this was posted. I have only one Hammer Brand. It was an Ebay gimme for about 3 or 4 bucks. But it's a little cigar shaped pen knife with cracked ice handles. It is hard to tell but the stamp is either #8 or #9. I didn't think it was that old. And I agree with you knifeaholic. That stockman looks like an Ulster 98.


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Thawk, are those bone handles on the Ulster 98?
 
I don't believe so on the bone. I believe these are the ones they called bonite. More brittle than delrin.
 
Thanks thawk. I wonder if mine is a black version of yours??
Bonite anyone??
 
waynorth said:
Thanks Arnold, Michael, and Bill!
If Imperial/Ulster bought Schrade in 1946, and the tang stamp was used 1945-1955, it's possible the knife was made at any of the factories owned by the Baer Brothers. The question is; which one??
I've added the dated tang drawings from KnifeWorld Mag.
HammerStockTangDrawing.jpg
Click to expand...

Wonder why it changed from a left hand to a right? Look at the grip. :)
 
It's easier to create the stamp without fingers, S & S! Ask an artist (my wife, for one)!!
 
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