A new (or old) cheap but good contender?

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We've had these threads before, i.e. "what's the cheapest good knife I can get for 75 cents a gum wrapper and some pocket lint."

The answer invariably goes one of three ways (with some honorable mentions thrown in too of course).

1) The Ontario RAT folders. For around 40 dollars you get a pretty darned good folder with a decent lock, reasonable steel and nylon handles. It's a great knife for throwing in your pocket on that canoe trip or whatever where losing your super dee dooper 600 dollar folder would have you up nights questioning life choices.

2) The Swiss Army Knife. 40 bucks (or higher or somewhat lower depending on the configuration) you can get a usable tool that will cover most of your every day cutting, screwing.. er screw driving and cork pulling needs without breaking the bank. It's also often a bit lighter than either your 600 dollar folder or your Ontario RAT folder, which might help you not look like one of those miserable idiots that wander around with their underwear hanging out and their pants around their knees by choice.

3) The opinel number whatever. For around 20 bucks you can get a knife that cuts stuff and won't fold up on you (probably). The steel isn't great and the lock isn't either, but they take a good edge and you can hand them out at the office party as door prizes (assuming your office isn't populated by a bunch of hoplophobic imbeciles).

However, I'm wondering if this one isn't also a contender:

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That's right, it's the venerable Mercator K55. I'm not sure what the steel is (although you can get it in stainless and carbon versions), but it locks up well, holds a good edge, is extremely thin and hasn't dragged my pants down once. I can't open it one handed with a flourish and it's not made out of unobtanium but I've carried this thing for two weeks after buying it on a whim (and at that price point pretty much anyone CAN buy it on a whim) and it turns out that it really deals with all my normal daily cutting needs. It also come in a variety of other handle materials and finishes if you want to spend a little more... although I'm beginning to wonder why you would.

I do know that it's not going to fit the bill for all you high speed low drag types out there. You won't be able to efficiently deanimate enemy sentries with it, you won't be able to jam it into a crevice to keep you from going over a cliff, you can't baton it through an engine block and let's face it as pocket jewelry it leaves a lot to be desired. If you are in the trades it might be a little light for you (although I would argue you should probably mostly be using removable blade utility knives if you are a tradesman rather than 600 dollar limited addition super steel whatsits.) However, if you need a decent knife to cut stuff in the office this one might be the one for you.

I've got a whole safe full of absurd cutlery that I like and I'm keeping, but there's little need for a 38 inch double edged Oakeshott type XI medieval sword or even a 22 inch pattern welded Viking Seax in my average day at the office. (We'll ignore the other days for the moment) So, I'm not asking you to turn in your knife knut card or anything, I'm sure not. I do begin to wonder however, if at some point we forgot what these things are actually for and that at the end of the day they have a purpose beyond being posted on internet forums.

Thoughts?
 
My only gripe with the Mercator is that compared to the opinel, it gets really uncomfortable if you're cutting with any force or for a prolonged period of time. That said, you can totally stab people with the Mercator. Lots of people in New York have been stabbed with Mercator's. Opie's have too fine of a tip in that regard, but their little convex is a beautiful thing.
 
I buy what I can, when I can and use it. My range was from 'budget' to 'bandwagon'. Now, I seek the best from each state. I guess, 'custom' is a field I must enter. I don't need to, but I see some overtime hours(and $) in my future to get what I want.
 
That's right, it's the venerable Mercator K55.
It sure is a contender, and it’s stood the test of time. Personally, I’m still an Opi/Vic fan, but I acknowledge Mercators, Douk Douks, higonokami, svord peasants and RAT’s are all high on the value scale.
 
Higonokami is my favorite of these types of traditional budget knives. It's not the most practical, but none of these types of knives are. All of these knives are less functional than newer offerings from Civivi, Sencut, CJRB, etc (and I'd argue that these knives have also displaced the Ontario RAT). These knives have better geometry, ergos, materials, and locks. So if you're going to get a less functional knife for the sake of historical intrigue, the Higo comes out ahead because of it's katana lineage and handwork IMO.
 
Higonokami is my favorite of these types of traditional budget knives. It's not the most practical, but none of these types of knives are. All of these knives are less functional than newer offerings from Civivi, Sencut, CJRB, etc (and I'd argue that these knives have also displaced the Ontario RAT). These knives have better geometry, ergos, materials, and locks. So if you're going to get a less functional knife for the sake of historical intrigue, the Higo comes out ahead because of it's katana lineage and handwork IMO.
I strongly disagree that anyone has displaced the Swiss Army Knife or Opinel, and strongly disagree even more that these knives aren’t practical.
 
I strongly disagree that anyone has displaced the Swiss Army Knife or Opinel, and strongly disagree even more that these knives aren’t practical.

I was referring to the Mercator/Douk Douk/Higonokami type knives that were put forth as the focus of the thread; I don't think the SAK has been displaced either. They work fine as knives, sure, but they are absolutely not as practical as modern knives for pretty much all cutting tasks. Folded sheetmetal handles aren't very comfortable and don't have the most positive grip, and the steels used are pretty basic.
 
We've had these threads before, i.e. "what's the cheapest good knife I can get for 75 cents a gum wrapper and some pocket lint."

The answer invariably goes one of three ways (with some honorable mentions thrown in too of course).

1) The Ontario RAT folders. For around 40 dollars you get a pretty darned good folder with a decent lock, reasonable steel and nylon handles. It's a great knife for throwing in your pocket on that canoe trip or whatever where losing your super dee dooper 600 dollar folder would have you up nights questioning life choices.

2) The Swiss Army Knife. 40 bucks (or higher or somewhat lower depending on the configuration) you can get a usable tool that will cover most of your every day cutting, screwing.. er screw driving and cork pulling needs without breaking the bank. It's also often a bit lighter than either your 600 dollar folder or your Ontario RAT folder, which might help you not look like one of those miserable idiots that wander around with their underwear hanging out and their pants around their knees by choice.

3) The opinel number whatever. For around 20 bucks you can get a knife that cuts stuff and won't fold up on you (probably). The steel isn't great and the lock isn't either, but they take a good edge and you can hand them out at the office party as door prizes (assuming your office isn't populated by a bunch of hoplophobic imbeciles).

However, I'm wondering if this one isn't also a contender:

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That's right, it's the venerable Mercator K55. I'm not sure what the steel is (although you can get it in stainless and carbon versions), but it locks up well, holds a good edge, is extremely thin and hasn't dragged my pants down once. I can't open it one handed with a flourish and it's not made out of unobtanium but I've carried this thing for two weeks after buying it on a whim (and at that price point pretty much anyone CAN buy it on a whim) and it turns out that it really deals with all my normal daily cutting needs. It also come in a variety of other handle materials and finishes if you want to spend a little more... although I'm beginning to wonder why you would.

I do know that it's not going to fit the bill for all you high speed low drag types out there. You won't be able to efficiently deanimate enemy sentries with it, you won't be able to jam it into a crevice to keep you from going over a cliff, you can't baton it through an engine block and let's face it as pocket jewelry it leaves a lot to be desired. If you are in the trades it might be a little light for you (although I would argue you should probably mostly be using removable blade utility knives if you are a tradesman rather than 600 dollar limited addition super steel whatsits.) However, if you need a decent knife to cut stuff in the office this one might be the one for you.

I've got a whole safe full of absurd cutlery that I like and I'm keeping, but there's little need for a 38 inch double edged Oakeshott type XI medieval sword or even a 22 inch pattern welded Viking Seax in my average day at the office. (We'll ignore the other days for the moment) So, I'm not asking you to turn in your knife knut card or anything, I'm sure not. I do begin to wonder however, if at some point we forgot what these things are actually for and that at the end of the day they have a purpose beyond being posted on internet forums.

Thoughts?
I used a Mercator all day today on the farm! No complaints.

Zieg
 
I was referring to the Mercator/Douk Douk/Higonokami type knives that were put forth as the focus of the thread; I don't think the SAK has been displaced either. They work fine as knives, sure, but they are absolutely not as practical as modern knives for pretty much all cutting tasks. Folded sheetmetal handles aren't very comfortable and don't have the most positive grip, and the steels used are pretty basic.
Thank you for clarifying. I don’t disagree with your point that the handles of the folded sheet metal knives are not ideal, but I think these companies keep making the knives because, in the opinions of enough people, they are practical. It’s just enough knife for their needs at the right price.
 
I've never had a Mercator, despite looking longingly at a lot of old timey Otter-Messer knives, but I'd rather have no lock than a back lock sticking up all the time like that. It reminds me a lot of the Boker Atlas (seen top of top picture), for thin and handy knives that are easy to keep at hand, but the Atlas is a better knife for the price, with a slip joint, a blade made from 12C27 Sandvik, and has a pocket clip.

I have some Opinel, Victorinox, and Ontario RAT knives, and gotten my money's worth out of all of them. I contend that the Buck 110 Slim Select and Cold Steel Tough Lite are among the better budget knife choices available among folders.

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My only gripe with the Mercator is that compared to the opinel, it gets really uncomfortable if you're cutting with any force or for a prolonged period of time. That said, you can totally stab people with the Mercator. Lots of people in New York have been stabbed with Mercator's. Opie's have too fine of a tip in that regard, but their little convex is a beautiful thing.
You are probably right about that, I guess I don't find myself cutting for extended periods of time very often or ever. I'm trying to think who would. Buckskinners? Meat packers? That hockey mask wearing weirdo from down the street? I mean when I'm doing leather work I do but I have a round knife for that, not my pocket knife. Maybe it will become a problem...
 
WHAT?!

That's just crazy talk. 🤯
I know, I just wonder. I'm looking in blade magazine and the latest offerings from crkt and Kershaw are in the well over100 dollar range. Custom smiths are charging multiple hundreds of dollars for basic slab tang knives. I wonder if it's sustainable.
 
You are probably right about that, I guess I don't find myself cutting for extended periods of time very often or ever. I'm trying to think who would. Buckskinners? Meat packers? That hockey mask wearing weirdo from down the street? I mean when I'm doing leather work I do but I have a round knife for that, not my pocket knife. Maybe it will become a problem...

Opinel's are excellent little woods bumming knives and you can easily carve with them too.
 
I've never had a Mercator, despite looking longingly at a lot of old timey Otter-Messer knives, but I'd rather have no lock than a back lock sticking up all the time like that. It reminds me a lot of the Boker Atlas (seen top of top picture), for thin and handy knives that are easy to keep at hand, but the Atlas is a better knife for the price, with a slip joint, a blade made from 12C27 Sandvik, and has a pocket clip.

I have some Opinel, Victorinox, and Ontario RAT knives, and gotten my money's worth out of all of them. I contend that the Buck 110 Slim Select and Cold Steel Tough Lite are among the better budget knife choices available among folders.

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I will have to look and see what one of those costs.
 
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