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After much thought, a few decisions and some changes to my original plan, I made the change from manufactured to custom chopper. A 9-10in blade 1/4in thick and ready for some hard work. There are many great steels out there and I am looking for the one that offers the most benefits in each category. Most of all, I want a real tough steel as well. I have a couple makers in mind and have already made contact with them. I asked them the same question as here but thought I would see what everyone here has to say as well. As an example, I am looking for ideas such as , but not limited to S7, A2, 52100, CPM D2, CPM S125V. Let me know what you like and why. Share your experiences if you wish.


Thanks for your time.
 
do you accept carbon steel or only stainless?
If you are not affraid of rust, for a chopper i'll suggest 8670 high carbon steel ...
But anyway, more important than the steel, the heat treatment does everything !:D
 
Best bang for the buck bar none....Scrapyard knives (S7). Order an SOD. I think that will fit your needs. I have some very good Busse knives, cant go wrong with them but they can be cost prohibitive. INFI is good stuff.
 
Ask yourself what is the most important attribute of the knife. From your post, lets assume its toughness, with edgeholding a close second. From that list, S7 is the one I'd go with. Ridiculous toughness at relatively high hardness, 55-57 HRc. Edge holding will be lower than any of the others listed, unless the edge is dulling because of chipping, whether the chips are visible to the unaided eye or not. If edge holding is farther down on your priorities, say toughness is 10 and edgeholding is 6-7, instead of 8-9, you can get tougher steels such as 4140 and 4340. Keep in mind these are not cutlery steels and are typically not put into service with hardnesses above 50 HRc. Of course, their service rarely includes cutting. Some makers use them for tomahawks and hatchets, but no knives I've seen. If any of the makers use it, L6 tool steel is a very tough steel and will reach hardnesses greater than S7 can, therefore holding an edge longer while still having adequate toughness. The plain carbon steels are also quite tough as long as the carbon content is kept relatively low, such as 1055, 1060, and 1075. Dont forget 5160 spring steel, 9260 silicon spring steel, A8 air hardening tool steel, 8670M spring steel, and CPM 3V and S5 tool steels if you can find them. These all have a reputation for toughness, with edge holding that is adequate to excellent.

If edge holding is equal to toughness, then 52100 and possibly A2 are good choices. I would stay away from the D2 and S125V unless you have experience with them already and know they can handle what you want. And of course if toughness is king and edgeholding is out the window, there's good old 1018 or A-36, both of which are soft enough that you practically have to tear them instead of break them for knife applications, but will bend if you hit anything more substantial than a 2" pine tree. I'm getting long winded in my old age. I hope that wasnt too much to take in.
 
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Nice choice going with a custom!

Check out the Survivor in Dan Koster's sub forum here. I think the first batch were O1, but he can do D2, A2, CPM3V, or just about anything you want. I have several of his knives, and his work is top notch!

EDIT: I've got one of his knives in 5160, and that is a tough blade. Often overlooked for the newer super steels, the OCS steel holds a great edge.
 
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thanks for everyones post. I originally was going to buy a ScrapYard DogFather LE. Seems like a killer deal. I just like the idea of customs. I have many of them and they all get used. Phillip Patton emailed me a sketch for approval and I also sent an email to Bill Buxton. I have bought a knife from each and can say their work is phenominal. Toughness is most important, edge retention and ware resistance would be up there but not as. Corrosion is not a problem. All my knives get cleaned and oiled weather they need it or not. I just like messing with them and taking pride in them as well as using them. So I am open to carbon or SS. I do like carbon steels from the experience I have had with them.
 
Nice choice going with a custom!

Check out the Survivor in Dan Koster's sub forum here. I think the first batch were O1, but he can do D2, A2, CPM3V, or just about anything you want. I have several of his knives, and his work is top notch!

EDIT: I've got one of his knives in 5160, and that is a tough blade. Often overlooked for the newer super steels, the OCS steel holds a great edge.




Thanks for the heads up SPXTrader. I will check it out. I own a Koster knife I bought about 2 years ago. Still love it. Excellent work indeed.
 
As long as you know the limitations of your knife any of the steel types you mentioned will work. If you want something stainless and tough, you'll have to go with something like 12C27, or 440A. If you know to be careful and you can give up some toughness then any of the common stainless steel types should work (S30V, 154Cm, etc.). If you're not overly concerned with rust resistance then it would be hard to get a better overall steel than CPM 3V, really tough and it holds a good edge. You could get better edge holding out of something like CPM M-4, or more toughness with S-7, but 3V does both reasonably well.
 
1. 3V
2. CPM M4
3. 10V

in that order, toughness descending, wear resistance ascending

*at what I feel are proper hardnesses for knife blades
 
Thanks everyone. 3V it is. Just wondering what the proper hardness would be on this steel? Again, its a chopper first, but will be used for other tasks as well.
 
As for the hardness, I'd take that up with the maker of your choice. Each seems to have different "recipes" they use.

My opinion, good choice on the 3V!
 
If you want 3V, why dont you buy a Fehrman. that guy is a master in heat treating that steel. The final judgement would be an awsome chopper.
 
If you want 3V, why dont you buy a Fehrman. that guy is a master in heat treating that steel. The final judgement would be an awsome chopper.


That is another I looked at originally. I had deceided to go with the S. Yard because of price/performance. Then, I said for slightly more than the Busse and Fehrman I can have a custom. I can add and delete options as well as pick my steel. I also like the idea of the handle being fitted to my hand. Now I'm not sure what the 3V will add to the cost, but if it gets between $800-$900 I will go another route. Maybe Fehrman. Its a great looking knife and I heard great things about the knives and the maker.
 
CPM D-2 or regular D-2

S30V

3V

CPM M-4 or S90V

If going the custom route, I'd choose CPM M4 vor S90V. I have two CPM M-4 knives and one S90V. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

They're so far superior to any other knives I've ever owned it's almost unbelievable. :eek:
 
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