A pen from Minuteman to raise funds for veterans?

Thomas Carey

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Here at our Minuteman brand http://minutemanwatches.com/ we are in talks now with a very well known American maker of high quality pens. We are considering a rugged pen in Flat Dark Earth. We are not sure how many to have made up. The pen would be based on a model that is not yet on the market.

If any of you have some suggestions please feel free to share those with us here. As we are not exactly experts on pens we would greatly value your input.
 
Yes, a pen would be great. Some questions:
Full sized or mini?
Fisher refill or alternate ink, maybe adapters for both?
Clicky or cap with threads?
Start out with say 50 or 100
 
Cap with threads.

It would be built on a Mini about the size of a Tuff-Writer shorty.

I really liked the idea of setting it up for Parker which means a wide array could then be used.

But we may stick with Fisher as we would have to do up 200 at least for Parkers.

But as the design is set up for Fisher if we keep with that we only have to do 25. Which I am just not sure how many we would really be able to sell.
 
I don't think pens are standard "EDC" items among younger people the way they are/were for some of us. How many 20-somethings carry a checkbook or know what a day planner is? Probably very few. Meanwhile, I have numerous pens within easy reach on my desk, both at home and at work, and even a minimum of two or three in the car. So, for me personally, even though I don't own any particularly nice pens, they are as essential as an EDC knife and a watch.

I'd love to see a mockup of what you have in mind.
 
Can't you just leave veterans out of your sales pitches please? Getting old and stale.
 
Can't you just leave veterans out of your sales pitches please? Getting old and stale.

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Totally agree! Just for the sake of curiosity, what percent of the proceeds are going to be going to vets? You will of course have public transparency as to your "contribution"?

As a veteran that is rate at 50% disability by the VA, and is an outpatient at the VA hospital in Washington D.C., I too have grown weary of the "jumping on the bandwagon". If have a pen to sell to the tactical crowd, just sell the pen.
 
Can't you just leave veterans out of your sales pitches please? Getting old and stale.
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Totally agree! Just for the sake of curiosity, what percent of the proceeds are going to be going to vets? You will of course have public transparency as to your "contribution"?

As a veteran that is rate at 50% disability by the VA, and is an outpatient at the VA hospital in Washington D.C., I too have grown weary of the "jumping on the bandwagon". If have a pen to sell to the tactical crowd, just sell the pen.

Not just what percentage but to which charity. Some veterans charities have ridiculously high rates of contributions that don't go directly to the veterans but go to "overhead" instead. Wounded Warrior Project, for instance --- Well over one-third of contributions received do not go directly to the community for which the charity exists but to "overhead" and "administration".

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/08/wounded-warriors-project-a-legal-scam/

http://www.tampabay.com/news/busine...-58-of-donations-on-veterans-programs/2132493
 
I have to say these comments really hurt me personally.

We created the entire brand to raise funds that help veterans and their families. 25% of the profit from each item we sell goes to those charities. This tends to be more than the "token" amount many businesses donate that point out their charitiable aspects.

My father is a disabled Vietnam veteran. I grew up with my father suffering from the effects of his service. When I was very young my father was in the hospital for a whole year. I was barely able to visit him that whole time as he was in a top level hospital in city that was some distance from where we lived. He got to come home about 2 months before his illness kick up again and he was gone another 6 months.

My father has had a bizzare change from one rare disease to another over the years due to his exposure to Agent orange. His current diagnosis is MS.
Despite all of these ongoing issues my father has had a few good years in there and was able to do pretty well in life. Sadly many of his fellow veterans have not faired well. I can tell you the VA etc has done a poor job with our veterans and I have seen it first hand.

So my father and I decided a few years ago we wanted to create something to help veterans who are out there struggling. Since I am not rich or even well off we were not sure we could really do much. We did come to the conclusion that we could at least do something even it was modest. Which due to our brands very small size and the tough times we are in believe me its modest what we are able to do. We don't have a lot of sales currently. But despite all of that we are growing and contributing to charities such as The Gary Sinise Foundation and Mercury One.

As starting any business is a challenge especially the first 3 to 5 years even in good times. We are actually having to prop up Minuteman by diverting profits from out regular retail business CGA Co.

As far as transparency on finances, no we are not going to share with people that info as we are a non profit organizationation. Plus to be honest I am somewhat embarrsed that as I send money off to charity we are going in to the whole big time with non other than the IRS. You see it takes a lot of money to start a brand up and marketing etc really eats up funds.

Oh and by the way my wife and I live on only about $30K per year. My wife is permanantly disabled suffering from several medical coniditions. She is also a survivor of 10 years of abuse from her first husband. You want to talk about PTSD and night terrors I live it. My wife has thoes as bad as any vet. Being locked in a cloest for 6 months and beaten into a coma can do that to a person. Not to mention she was homeless for a time. That my friends is just the lite stuff. I can't go into the really bad aspects of that. So guess what I can really identify really well with a lot of issues our veterans are dealing with.

As far as charities we know well that with a whole lot of charities very little in some cases goes to the core which in this case would be the veterans. Case in point Wounded Wariror Project only 58% goes to the program side to actually help veterans. Which is still better than many a charity our there.
We will not consider a charity in which less than 80% goes to actually helping in this case veterans. With Gary SInise 100% goes to the core. The admin costs are bank rolled by Gary Sinise and some wealthy friends. Another charity we work with Mercury One is also getting 100% of their donations to where they are supposed to go. That charity is funded by Glenn Beck and some of his wealthy friends. Another charity we plan to raise funds for is Fisher House.

Thank you for reading this information. As we are really are trying to help vets in any way possible and have hi hopes that we can continue to do so in the future!

Thank you,

Thomas Carey

Owner Minuteman & CGA Company
 
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Thomas please keep doing what you're doing.
 
Haters gonna hate, Thomas what you do is noble and for a small company such as yours it is very appreciated in the community. If people don't like it, they don't have to post in your threads or buy your items, they can simply move along. Some folks seem to have a perpetual chip on their shoulder for whatever reason and can never be wrong or thankful or complimentary. Fff ...forget them.
 
Haters gonna hate, Thomas what you do is noble and for a small company such as yours it is very appreciated in the community. If people don't like it, they don't have to post in your threads or buy your items, they can simply move along. Some folks seem to have a perpetual chip on their shoulder for whatever reason and can never be wrong or thankful or complimentary. Fff ...forget them.

Thanks so much. My wife said something very similar.
 
My wife is an Army reservist in a mental health specialist MOS, currently in a "combat operational stress control" unit. She was deployed overseas for ten months in that capacity, which ranged from routine psych evaluations of troops processing out of combat zones to assisting soldiers with PTSD and sleep disorders to suicide prevention. We have friends whose family members returned from overseas combat tours with all sorts of physical and psychological issues. My father and several of my uncles were drafted during the Vietnam War; with one exception, none of them talk about it. My great uncle fought in WWII and had difficulty talking about it. Generally, it wasn't something to be celebrated at the time, and that sentiment has stuck for the most part.

Since that hasn't made for a strong family military tradition, we make a point of donating to veteran-oriented charities, but it seems that every time we donate to one that is established and legitimate, we get twice as many donation solicitations from organizations we've never heard of. Not just pertaining to veterans, but all sorts of causes: funding Native American education, providing medical care to homeless Russian Jews (yes, in Russia) and research for all sorts of diseases that I've neither heard of nor can pronounce. Even the organizations we have supported in the past seem to have gotten increasingly bold - and downright pushy - in their efforts to get larger and more frequent donations. It's hard for us to feel good about supporting some of them.

On the other hand, if someone like Thomas wants to deal directly with veterans' organizations, choosing the most deserving based on his personal experiences, that's something I can get behind. While I'm not a "watch guy" or a "pen guy" as some here are, if I see Minuteman offering products of interest to me, I'm more likely to buy those versus a competitors product, all tangible qualities being equal. I couldn't care less what watch, pen or knife the Navy SEALs or Special Forces or Green Berets are advertised as using, but support for legit veterans' organizations (I'm familiar with Mercury One) while catering to desk jockeys like myself is plenty credible.

Also, my wife gave me her blessing to buy the Minuteman/ZT knife, so that's a win for me.
 
I have to say these comments really hurt me personally.

We created the entire brand to raise funds that help veterans and their families. 10% of the profit from each item we sell goes to those charities. This tends to be more than the "token" amount many businesses donate that point out their charitiable aspects.

Elsewhere here in this forum and on your company's website you state it is 25% of your profit that you will send to charities. And, sorry, I do not believe that was the reason you created the items you sell.

Regardless, sell what you can. Give any amount you choose to any charities you choose. My point was to please just leave veterans out of your sales pitches. Veterans requesting such are not necessarily "haters gonna hate" --- certainly anyone should feel free to label me as such; however, I do take offense at so labeling jackknife as such because, from what I know of him, nothing could be farther from the truth.
 
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Elsewhere here in this forum and on your company's website you state it is 25% of your profit that you will send to charities. And, sorry, I do not believe that was the reason you created the items you sell.

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You really want to help the vets? I mean really do something that will help? Then give them a job.

As one who's been there and done that, I can tell you first hand what it's like to walk out of Walter Reed Army Medical center in Washington D.C. limping on my army issue cane on my re-constructed right foot and ankle, medical discharge in hand, and wondering just WTF I'm going to do now? With a wife and one kid, with another halfway on the way, being partly disabled and now unemployed is a downright scary thing. If it wasn't for some family, I'd have sunk.

Thank God for the V.A. and an apprentice jobs program. They got me into a job program and that made all the difference in the world. Having a job to go to, get some paychecks rolling in, and being able to at least buy a pair of sneakers for my oldest child and diapers for my youngest and some groceries in the kitchen cabinet. I'd have told these groups around now to keep their music therapy, art therapy, and sports events, and just get me a job. Most of the stuff these so called charity groups are doing is just window dressing to justify the admistrtion costs and their big 6 figure salaries.

You'll have to excuse my cynical attitude, but as a disabled vet, I've seen so many BS organizations, it's quite sickening. Every other con man has jumped on the bandage now, sometimes just of the publicity that will help their career. Living here in Washington D.C. and being at the VA often, I've become aware of the literally thousands, thats thousands, of prosecutions for fraud that is taking place in federal court involving charities for the vets.

I went through some good depression. I ended up in one of those groups at the VA hospital where the bunch of us would be sitting around in a circle trying to air out our problems. Without exception, the only thing we all wanted was to just get back into being a productive member of society. Of course that was the Vietnam era, and society was different. There was no welcome home, in fact, we were warned not to fly home in uniform because of the anti-war protesters throwing things at us when we got home. So there was no great overly effusive display of new found patriotism, no charities throwing events for us. And in truth, we wouldn't have wanted it. Like our fathers who came home from WW2 with no fanfare, we just wanted to go back to work and get on with life. That's all.

Those first few years when I was out, I'd have laughed in their face if they wanted to give me "therapy" or have an event in which some of the proceed would go to vets. All I'd have asked for was a job and a chance to get back to work and take care of my family. That's what a man does; take care of his family. More than anything when things were at the darkest, I'd have appreciated a box of groceries, or some help with the utility bills.

So if you really, really, want to help the vets, give them a job. Hire the handicapped vet and just let him get on with his life and stop making a big deal out of it so somebody can have a big salary and make a profit. If he doesn't have the job skills for the job you're hiring him for, then teach him. You'll find a very willing student. That's how I got going, the VA put me in a on-the-job training, and I started from the beginning. So keep the profit making events and just hire us to work. That's all we want. Having been there, I can tell you that for sure.
 
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You really want to help the vets? I mean really do something that will help? Then give them a job.

As one who's been there and done that, I can tell you first hand what it's like to walk out of Walter Reed Army Medical center in Washington D.C. limping on my army issue cane on my re-constructed right foot and ankle, medical discharge in hand, and wondering just WTF I'm going to do now? With a wife and one kid, with another halfway on the way, being partly disabled and now unemployed is a downright scary thing. If it wasn't for some family, I'd have sunk.

Thank God for the V.A. and an apprentice jobs program. They got me into a job program and that made all the difference in the world. Having a job to go to, get some paychecks rolling in, and being able to at least buy a pair of sneakers for my oldest child and diapers for my youngest and some groceries in the kitchen cabinet. I'd have told these groups around now to keep their music therapy, art therapy, and sports events, and just get me a job. Most of the stuff these so called charity groups are doing is just window dressing to justify the admistrtion costs and their big 6 figure salaries.

You'll have to excuse my cynical attitude, but as a disabled vet, I've seen so many BS organizations, it's quite sickening. Every other con man has jumped on the bandage now, sometimes just of the publicity that will help their career. Living here in Washington D.C. and being at the VA often, I've become aware of the literally thousands, thats thousands, of prosecutions for fraud that is taking place in federal court involving charities for the vets.

I went through some good depression. I ended up in one of those groups at the VA hospital where the bunch of us would be sitting around in a circle trying to air out our problems. Without exception, the only thing we all wanted was to just get back into being a productive member of society. Of course that was the Vietnam era, and society was different. There was no welcome home, in fact, we were warned not to fly home in uniform because of the anti-war protesters throwing things at us when we got home. So there was no great overly effusive display of new found patriotism, no charities throwing events for us. And in truth, we wouldn't have wanted it. Like our fathers who came home from WW2 with no fanfare, we just wanted to go back to work and get on with life. That's all.

Those first few years when I was out, I'd have laughed in their face if they wanted to give me "therapy" or have an event in which some of the proceed would go to vets. All I'd have asked for was a job and a chance to get back to work and take care of my family. That's what a man does; take care of his family. More than anything when things were at the darkest, I'd have appreciated a box of groceries, or some help with the utility bills.

So if you really, really, want to help the vets, give them a job. Hire the handicapped vet and just let him get on with his life and stop making a big deal out of it so somebody can have a big salary and make a profit. If he doesn't have the job skills for the job you're hiring him for, then teach him. You'll find a very willing student. That's how I got going, the VA put me in a on-the-job training, and I started from the beginning. So keep the profit making events and just hire us to work. That's all we want. Having been there, I can tell you that for sure.

Thank you so much sir for your service.

Let me share this with you. We originally going to have a group that trains disabled vets build the watches. Sadly turns out that group is a joke just sucking up money and doing not a thing. We found ourselves in the forming of our brand what most of you know. Many charities out there are a joke and basically a con. But there are still plenty of good ones out there as well.

Next we tried to find a disabled vet direct to build the watches who was a watchmaker. The only we could find that was not working for a major brand and therefore could do it. Was over 80 and retiring.

One of the shops we build in is in dire need of another watchmaker. They are in Quincy IL which one of the oldest watchmaking schools is there Gem City. Well no vets at the school to hire. The school is hurting for students is hurting for students as no one wants to be a watchmaker. Turns out this is the same at all of the watch schools in the country. We have contacted them all more than once. Ok so the people that are currently going through the courses in Quincy are first year students and all have been sent there by employers. So the shop in Quincy tried to fine someone they could apprentice and train in house. The owner of the shop teaches various classes and has trained several over the years. Well can't find a single person to even show up for an interview.

As a brand we are barely getting by and are a one man band right now. Otherwise we would look for at least a vet to hire which we don't have the work for and just can't afford.

I have to say your experience with the VA is not what I have seen and heard from other vets. I am glad that finally someone is being treated well by the VA so there must be hope.
 
Elsewhere here in this forum and on your company's website you state it is 25% of your profit that you will send to charities. And, sorry, I do not believe that was the reason you created the items you sell.

Regardless, sell what you can. Give any amount you choose to any charities you choose. My point was to please just leave veterans out of your sales pitches. Veterans requesting such are not necessarily "haters gonna hate" --- certainly anyone should feel free to label me as such; however, I do take offense at so labeling jackknife as such because, from what I know of him, nothing could be farther from the truth.

It is actually 25% and the 10 percent was actually left over from an edit we made before posting as I was going to point out that at most. Most companies donate 10% to charity or will offer a 10% discount for vets.

At this point we are just not going to change the mind of skeptics like you.

Again I want to point out our company was co founded by a disabled Vietnam vet and the bottom line is we are not changing what we do just to please you.
 
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Totally agree! Just for the sake of curiosity, what percent of the proceeds are going to be going to vets? You will of course have public transparency as to your "contribution"?

As a veteran that is rate at 50% disability by the VA, and is an outpatient at the VA hospital in Washington D.C., I too have grown weary of the "jumping on the bandwagon". If have a pen to sell to the tactical crowd, just sell the pen.

I respect you but you and I are just not going to agree. My father has 100% disability and helped found our company. Believe me we know why you take issue with what we do and sadly many who have many lots of money on the backs of our veterans paved the road for that. But we are not them. Trouble us some don't believe that and I am sorry I am doing as much as I can and that's all I can do.
 
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