a question about the badger atackses

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I actually have 2 questions.

1: is the le and the se version the same thickness/geometry?
2: which do you think would fill the pyrbar beater catagory better, the le full flat grind at 1/4", or the combat grades half flat saber at 3/16"?


I want to beleive that the combat grades lower geometry (meaning more full thickness area in the blade itself) will make up in strength what it lacks in thickness. but I'm kind of doubtful as a result of my previous experiences with busse's like this.

the standard steel heart vs. the heavy heart vs. the cgmoash was the same thing, and I found that the cgmoash blew the other 2 away without any effort. it was a rock solid dead blow hammer by comparison. an extention of my arm, a demolition tool, one of the absolute best feeling knives i've ever handled. miss it like crazy.

But the steel heart is a compact chopper, so for a super heavy compact chopper you want as much weight as possible, and it's good to have it thrown forward.

The batac isn't like that though. I'm not entirely sure that it's even long enough to be a "chopper" in the sense that the moment of the forward section of the blade is effectively increased AND carried through by the combined moment of your arm swing with your wrist rotation. I'd think that it would be a small enough knife that your limited to what you can do with wrist snaps... i'm seen the video of a 2x4 being chopped with one, and that didn't really change my opinion much. with the cgmoash, you could basically let the blade drop on the wood and it would sink in, where as with the batac you had to get as much speed as possible, and follow through with your arm and wrist to get an effective chop. at least, thats what it looked like...

SO. the extra thickness, on a knife that can't have it's chopping ability increased by added weight, would be mostly for prying strength and balance.

what do you guys think? is the difference between the cg and le versions enough to warrant one over the other as a prybar (/maybe even chopper?)

 

[Jeepnut22]

Jerry said at Blade last Summer that the SEs were made off the same platform as the LEs. Different handles would be about it then. SE had OD and Black G-10, LE with the Tiger Hide Micarta, both Mags...

 

[MORIMOTOM]

what do you guys think? is the difference between the cg and le versions enough to warrant one over the other as a prybar (/maybe even chopper?)

i found the cg to be uncomfortable in hand. it dug in to my palms.

the le's extra width makes all the difference as far as comfort.

re: chopping, the le/se would chop better because it is heavier. but comparing it to a moash is like apples to kangaroos.

for the person who wants the batac, can only buy one knife, and needs it to fulfill as a chopper, the le is better than the cg.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

for ultra tough beater, the LE is the ticket.

 

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re: chopping, the le/se would chop better because it is heavier. but comparing it to a moash is like apples to kangaroos.

it was more of a comparison of how much grind can effect overall balance and performance. there was a huge noticable difference between the 3 fsh's, and i was wondering if there was as much of a noticable difference between the 3 batac's

 

[Ban]

it was more of a comparison of how much grind can effect overall balance and performance. there was a huge noticable difference between the 3 fsh's, and i was wondering if there was as much of a noticable difference between the 3 batac's

Hardly any difference between the LE and the SE. But significant difference in feel between LE/SE vs CG. The LE is a lot stouter, heavier, and better chopper by at least 30%. I would not consider a CGBATAC a chopper at all. It more or less pecks at wood. The LE/SE really packs a good whallop and can throw chips.

 

[Strabs]

LE and SE are identical in all dimensions. Only difference is finish and handle material.

I've been tempted to double cut my LE but the satin is soooooooo easy to clean:thumbup:

I have handled a few CG BATACs with mags and stds and I have to say that the mags on the thicker stock is the bee's knees!

 

[MORIMOTOM]

it was more of a comparison of how much grind can effect overall balance and performance. there was a huge noticable difference between the 3 fsh's, and i was wondering if there was as much of a noticable difference between the 3 batac's

well in that case, they are very different. as already mentioned.

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I got a standard batac with black g10 scales and what I guess is od green... it's so dark it almost looks blue black.

immediate thoughts:
-Length to tip is way more manageble then the sjtac
-g10 is too smooth, will have to rough up with 40grit sand paper
-heavier then I thought, but balanced on the index finger
-GOD I wish this thing didn't have a choil.

it's what I wanted, just not exactly what I wanted. What I wanted was to take a sjtac blade, and shift it towards the handle so you got rid of the choil, and shortened the blade at the same time. I liked the edge length, but not the overal length of the sjtac. On the batac the tip is right, but the blade length feels like it should be longer.

It would be perfect without the choil. perfect. If I won the lottery tommorow, i'd custom order one of these, but without the choil.

okay... if I won the lottery I'd probably order 3 of them, a 3/16", 3/8" and a .400"+ version.

 

[pedropcola]

I agree with most of the last post. I never fell in love with my SJTAC's. The mags on the BATAC make a huge difference. The BATAC screams out for no choil or a very small "sharpening" choil. I would gladly take the extra 3/4 inch of blade over the large finger choil any day. I like the G10 except for the noticeable increase in weight, which I don't want because I don't chop with this knife.

pete

 

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I agree with most of the last post. I never fell in love with my SJTAC's. The mags on the BATAC make a huge difference. The BATAC screams out for no choil or a very small "sharpening" choil. I would gladly take the extra 3/4 inch of blade over the large finger choil any day. I like the G10 except for the noticeable increase in weight, which I don't want because I don't chop with this knife.

pete

if I got it as a custom, I would probably go with satin finish, or this same coating, the od becuase it's pretty much black, but it's the desert coat style rather then crinkle coat. and I'd probably go with black canvas micarta. I'm not to fancy with my users.

for a show blade, i'd see if I could convince jerry to do a custom bead blaste job to match the crazy black and tan g10's art deco pattern.

 

[Guyon]

LE = leaning more toward sharpened prybar territory
CG = more everyday user size

LE on top.

 

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it's been done a buncha times, but this is a photoshopped rendition of what I want this blade to be. hopefully thats what i'm gonna get from the custom shop, but really thin.

I'd love to have this version, with it's 3/16" thickness (or a 1/4 se/le) done up in the choiless version.