A Small School and its fledgling bureaucracy

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Before I had children I dreamed of the conversations I'd have with the bureacrats who teach them. I'd actually have dialogue balloons in my brain when the thought came up....and know what they'd say, each answer in turn, my response, another answer. Well, it's here; the time I mean, not the balloons. I'm a father and I've sons and they go to school, and I get to talk to the bureacrats who manage their lives for 8 hours.


The school is decent in many ways. Most of the people care, though it wasn't that long ago, a townsman informed me recently, that they'd drag a kid down the hall by his ear. He knew- it had been his ear. There are smiles and individual attention. But the school is just bananas for discipline and needless process. They have a spare the rod approach. They like discipline, like a breakfast food, like religion, a way of life. All that can be fine too. We have too much Self today in our society and not enough work. But they've already gone where most much larger bureacracies eventually go- which is to invent rules for the sake of inventing rules, or, 'because we can." My son is either the highest level reader tested or the second highest for the sixth grade. That means he's tops in the whole school. But poor Carter. He only gets a C minus in reading. Why? Because a lot of weight is on homework, and guess what? Carter rides the bus 1.20 minutes to and an hour and 15 minutes back everyday. He gets up at 6 am, returns at 430 pm. Except for dinner, he does homework until he goes to bed at 8 pm. He often has to work over. All this homework; they have him for eight hours and can't teach him this? Then why not do the work earlier, while say, still in class? Well, he tried! He would do his homework in class, during those times they were allowed freedom, but the teacher found out and assigned even more homework to the class. "Because if you are that far ahead, I'm not giving enough homework." Yes folks, that's the puntitive attitude this small school in the middle of nowhere has aquired in its pride. And they believe this is rational, even glorious. If a homework assignment is turned in late to the reading instructor, it is automatically demoted. Carter figured out if he did the work on a late paper it would be nearly the same as if he did no work at all. So if he can't get to the work, it doesn't get done. Once late it's no use. Frankly, if my son works until he goes to bed, and can't get to the reading busywork, too bad. I'm not worried and not making him do the homework.

The middle boy did a science project. We were all set on the noble Box Elder Bug, but Trav came home with the news that it had to be an experiment, and not just information. So the wife and child did a project using water and gravity. It wasn't much, and Trav did not care about placing, he just wanted to do it. He wanted a participatio ribbon. Trouble was, no one knew there had been a page of sign-up left undone. So Trav's name was not on the list. He waited and waited in class for the committee to call him to demonstrate his experiement, but no one came. He sat there, and no one told him he was out. There's only 8 rooms or so, 200 plus kids, but they can't let Trav's project in because it violates the rules. What if everyone did that? He won't be granted access in the real world, they'll say, and this is for his own good.

"The committee must have had a lot of boys to do," my second grader told me tonight, 'and couldn't get to me."
So the wife called the teacher at home this evening. No, no one was going to ask Trav for his demonstration. You see, without the correct sign up sheet being done, he was ineligable. They did not even have the courtesy to hear him out, let him do his thing, and learn from the experience. He won't even get a participation ribbon. Gotta have your lines straight and T's crossed in the real World, our little school will inform one. They'll teach him what life is all about.

They sure are.

And that, I told my son, is why bureacracies are inherently flawed, and when the Federal government runs one, it's the same or worse.

He understands that.

Science project completed. A plus.

I gave him a hug tonight. "You won't get upset by all this, will you?"
"No Dad." He looked OK. I hope he wasn't lying.

Well, we watch the bastards drag them down, same as they did to us, and it hurts. His mother is making a ribbon for him tomorow.



munk
 
Sorry to hear that Munk.

Sadley schools are not just about growth & education, it also child care to allow both parents out to work & even more sadley many Goverments want the futre citizens trained to do drudge jobs they dont like for at least 8 hours a day.

Many countrys schools try to break them young. {Scandanavia maybe th exception.}

Dont let the barstards grind them down.

Spiral
 
Not to sound like a crackpot on the lunatic fringe, but schools today are assimilation centers. One must work all the time. Ever moment of every school day must be packed with as much "learning" i.e. "work" as possible.

To me, homework is archaic and unneeded in most cases, at least the AMOUNT that they pile on the kids these days. Homework used to be a little extra practice done to place the child in a solitary situation to sort of measure the amount of retention. That is to say, if you are working on long division word problems, give them 5 or 7 to try on their own at home. It shouldn't take more than 20 minutes and should give the teacher an idea of what is going on in the student's head.

However, schools tend to think more is better. Not 5 problems, but 15. Not a measure of learning, but a test on demanding deadlines and simulation of the day to day adult stress of rushing ourselves to the grave. Not one subject, but 5 a night. What is worse, is that so many schools (thanks to the idiotic No Child Left Behind Act) don't TEACH anything anymore. They practice and memorize the standardized testing that kids are going to have to excel at if the schools wants to keep its government funding. That still boggles my mind. Someone needs to show Washington that great big ol' normal curve that represents IQ. Some kids are going to work for NASA sending man to the stars...some are going to stamp out spaceship parts...and some are going to clean the toilets of the guys and gals stamping out said parts. Anyway, I digress.

Honestly? To hell with all that. Jeeze-o-Pete, these kids are going to have to jump through pointless hoops for the rest of their lives. Why not let them enjoy the first 14 years of life without placing all the weight on them. Let them start to grow up when they are freshmen in high school, not in grade school. The wondrous things about the mind of a child is that it absorbs so much. However, this mind is wired to take in EXPERIENCE not MEMORIZATION. A child's brain develops by seeing, tasting, touching, hearing, and LIVING all the wondrous cool things that make up the world. Who the hell wants to live in a world where the very first formed impression of it is that it is a tedious stressful boring place?

Luckily for me, my wife is an inside spy into the goings on of the local public education system. When we have kids, I will have no qualms with bringing the hammer down on any skulduggery.

It's great to see you posting, Munk. My best to the wife and kids. Don't let "the man" get them down. They're young. The world should still be filled with dragons and magic. Don't let the schools squeeze that out of them.
 
Sometimes it seems the key to success in school is simply learning to play the game. Getting the right answers isn't enough - you have to get them the right way. Teacher A wants it done like this. Teacher B wants it done like that. Get it wrong and you're f*cked. Style over substance. How do you keep a child enthusiastic about learning when they have to fight those kinds of battles just to earn a seat at the table? Hang in, Munk.

(On the subject of school science projects, I came across this link the other day in my travels. Hope it brings a chuckle. http://www.photobasement.com/41-hilarious-science-fair-experiments/ )

Eric
 
Don't try to win THEIR game. Win YOUR game. get them through, doing what has to be done, but set your rules as much as possible. Appear to comply, but run your kids lives, as much as possible, according to your beliefs. teach them how to make it through, without suffereing too much. Give them other goals, other acheievements. Affirm them, enable them for the REAL real world. let them do as much as they need to pass. Don't let them get crushed. teach them to live outside the mad rat race, but teach them how to ineteract, for their benefit, when the want to or must.

I'll add this to my prayers.

I'm sorry to see this suffering, Munk. I fear it for my own kids, if we are ever deemed as giving our kids an "insufficient" education.

Soon, if not already, they think that they will own us all...

day will come again...

Tom
 
Show up at school ALL THE TIME. Make yourself into a problem. Become the brain-eating zombie that threatens the last few survivors.
They'll re-prioritize...
 
That is a short ride on the bus by my states standards.

Everybody knows small schools are better and short bus rides are WAY better but since most schools budgets come from property taxes and raising taxes is a dirty word these days the norm is long commutes and too many kids in one school:rolleyes:

I feel so sorry for kids today in school. It's too much like a job. Then half of them have all these activities after school.

IMO kids need time to hang and be creative but our society these days does not allow it mostly.
 
So they succeed in regimentizing the kids, but can't institute quality in teaching. If the citizens of the future don't have a chance it is our fault- our responsibility. That's why you're frustrated with these idiots, munk. That thing with the missing sign-up sheet is heartbreaking. Or infuriating.

It may be moot. The barbarians are at the gates anyways.


Mike
 
So they succeed in regimentizing the kids, but can't institute quality in teaching. If the citizens of the future don't have a chance it is our fault- our responsibility. That's why you're frustrated with these idiots, munk. That thing with the missing sign-up sheet is heartbreaking. Or infuriating.

It may be moot. The barbarians are at the gates anyways.


Mike

Well said Ad
 
The State has a law you can't bus a child beneath a certain age, set in gradeschool, more than 50 or 55 miles. We're right on the line, but of course it takes longer for stops. Older children can be bused farther, and presumably longer. In a city/rural area, I imagine older children bused a similar distance might go much longer.

Yes, there's the teacher who thinks Sweaters are outdoor gear, so all sweaters must be taken off in her class. Other teachers are examining this idea, and have plans to institute it themselves next year. The original idea was to not have heavy outdoor coats and other gear clutter up the classroom space, as they can in this severe weather area. But I mentioned making rules because they can, and the sweater is because they can. When Keither comes to school, and needs a sweater because of so many pneumonias he's had, I'll have to call again.

Naturally, it's against the rules to walk on the grass around the buildings.

I think God should firebomb the green grass this Spring....

It is far more than I can tell you about. It goes on and on. But I do have some good news; I called the Principle, and Trav got his demonstration, and he'll get a ribbon! I'm very happy about that.



munk
 
The State has a law you can't bus a child beneath a certain age, set in gradeschool, more than 50 or 55 miles. We're right on the line, but of course it takes longer for stops. Older children can be bused farther, and presumably longer. In a city/rural area, I imagine older children bused a similar distance might go much longer.

Yes, there's the teacher who thinks Sweaters are outdoor gear, so all sweaters must be taken off in her class. Other teachers are examining this idea, and have plans to institute it themselves next year. The original idea was to not have heavy outdoor coats and other gear clutter up the classroom space, as they can in this severe weather area. But I mentioned making rules because they can, and the sweater is because they can. When Keither comes to school, and needs a sweater because of so many pneumonias he's had, I'll have to call again.

Naturally, it's against the rules to walk on the grass around the buildings.

I think God should firebomb the green grass this Spring....

It is far more than I can tell you about. It goes on and on. But I do have some good news; I called the Principle, and Trav got his demonstration, and he'll get a ribbon! I'm very happy about that.



munk

Good Lord talk about micromanagement.
 
My younger son had the delight of going to a brand new high school starting with his sophomore year. His freshman year had been at the oldest high school in the district. The old school had a zillion regulations to cover every conceivable and inconceivable situation. The new school only had basic guidelines for safety, mutual respect, and respect for the goal of getting an education. The new school freedoms were rapidly eroded as the students found the darnedest kinds of trouble to cause. Even with a relatively good set of students the school found it necessary to create rules so that they didn't have to take time off to negotiate and hold a council session when issues would recur. Nobody wanted to be buried in rules, but they found that they created them to keep the wheels rolling.

I have bright kids and I have seen some great science projects passed over or excluded for crazy technicalities. That even happens in private schools.
 
This is an interesting post. I'm still a few years from retirement from the bacon bits land but the call of teaching was always there. When I interviewed teachers about their jobs, many would quietly tell me the reason they left public school teaching for the private sector or private schools or were planning on leaving was because the lack of discretion killed them. Bureacracy ate them alive. Silly and stupid rules were killing them. Some kids needed that drag by the ear. Another issue teachers said that really got them was the change in kids who simply did not respect them or authority in general. One teacher mentioned her constant challenge with a couple of parents who viewed their kids as their friends rather than children. It showed with kids who were rude, mouthy and general problems for them and the rest of the class.

As a father of one elementary school age child and one a few years out, I have become that squeaky wheel. I look at my school like this: I am an investor in this program. It does no good if I do not get involved in the business (and it is a business, make no mistake about that) of teaching my child. I've had my share of verbal bruisers with the district and school principal to get things improved or changed. I remember a principal absolutely get red in the face when I told her that the job of teaching was to get kids ready for the real world and for the business they would enter into to. She growled at me and told me I knew nothing and the job was to get gets "integrated for social interaction and world understanding." Really? We had a come to jesus chat about that later.

Get involved! Understand that urban schools have been liberal (or even conservative in some cases) bastions of indoctrination. Sadly, that thinking is seeping into our surburban and rural schools as teachers who are liberal and afraid of their own shadow enter the teaching profession. I have respect for good, well rounded teachers. I don't for those who don't teach but believe singing kumbyuah is more important. I miss my 5th grade teacher, Mrs. Tyndall. She was a hard nosed, no nonsense teacher who taught the basics and stuck to them. Homework was appropriate, recesses freely encouraged but you worked and you learned. Not many like her anymore.

Last thought: at my daughters first school, a small child from the special-ed (excuse me, "differently gifted", no shit, real term) section darted into the drive through/drop off section of the school. Several parents stood there and just told the child to stop as I was walking up. No action on their part. Screw that. I went out and grabbed the kid, hauled him back and turned him over to the teacher who STOOD THERE. I asked her later why she had failed to grab the child. She told me that it was FORBIDDEN by the district to grab the child in any way. Seems that little rule came about from a lawsuit from a parent who felt their child was abused by a teacher (related to a wild child and his assault on a teacher in class, I am told). I was chastized for using my hands to grab the child's shirt to keep him from becoming a speed bump. Yes, principal actually contacted me and "talked to me." Even showed me the appropriate way to redirect a child by not using my hands. I quietly and bluntly explained to him that as a cop, I was going to damn well use what was appropriate to keep a kid from being injured or killed. I was then told that my actions could result in me getting banned from the school.

Insane.

If you find that responsible, respectable public school or district that focuses on core skills to get kids ready for the real world, latch on to it and invest your time in it! EVen better when it is flexible enough for reality.

Sweaters? Hell, we had to wear them on some days when the HVAC system would crap out in the winter. No one thought it was odd. Then again, we also didn't have kids who thought it was cool to have baggies and crappy colored underwear hanging out.

Wow! Ya hit a nerve there!
 
Moblues, that was a wonderful post.
We do remember the good ones, don't we? Those teachers unique who gave a damn and cared enough to engage us.

I think many of the teachers I knew as a child would not make it in today's poltical environment. They wouldn't fit in, nor know how to. And some of those were very fine men and women.

Then there was Mr. Holding. Mr. Holding was a reading teacher. I was 13 years old and my reading level was of a sophomore in college. Why was I in reading? Because people who failed the language entrance exam, neccesary to be accepted into a foreign language class, needed more help with reading. More help with reading would get them to the foreign language test. Sigh. I never did pass that test. A tape machine played a man's voice saying the word, "BOA', slightly different ways, and you indicated the differences. Maybe I heard too many diifferences, I don't know, but I never passed that test.


So I spent an hour or so everyday reading classic literature of my own choosing while Mr. Holding taught reading. I don't know how you can teach reading. Carter's reading instructor bores everyone to tears. Carter laughed this morning recounting how he walked by a class held captive by this man, heads down on the desk and eyes looking to the walls and windows with distant cow-eyed hope. He had charts and diagrams. Sometimes a student volunteer would use the pointer to point out certain areas of the charts to the class. You weren't allowed to read in his reading class. He must talk about reading. But my Mr. Holding allowed us to read. I would look up from the book on my desk only if he was going to explode. He did about once a month. He'd start a monologue, constantly swiping the greasy jet black hair out of his eyes with a large white hand, gesturing in ever widening circles....His eyes would eventually bulge, face red, legs twitching and spasming, louder and louder, complaining about some condition of the world or hypocracy of the common man or even the school's bureacracy itself. One morning he even kicked the lecturn out into the mud. It was raining. He kicked and kicked until the thing banged outside the open door. They made them in metal shop and every room had one. Mr Holding's was tough but no match for his polished wing tip shoes.

Good old Mr Holding. No, he wouldn't get a job today. But he knew keeping me in reading class was pretty silly. I sat and read and got my A, which is what any self respecting reading class ought to do for one anyway.

munk
 
Mr. Lawless, 8th grade history teacher. He used to send me down to the library Monday through Thursday while everyone else sat in his class. I was expected to give a report pretty much every Friday, on what I had learned. History became my favorite subject from then on.

Mrs. Paul, sophomore year in HS. History again. She made me sit up front, so I wouldn't goof off, or read my own stuff. I would mumble a fact or word if she ever was in a bind. She had me teach two classes on the Civil war. She knew I would do no homework, but would ace the tests. She gave me extra credit for "class participation".

She is no relation to the frozen fish company. Quite the opposite, in fact.

take care,

Tom
 
Nice to hear that its the same all the world round :( . My son is way above the rest of the class and sits there daydreaming all day. This has only happened since the old Headteacher (priciple?) left. She put the kids before everything else and would never have let one of her kids spin his wheels in class. The other teachers walked softly around her but the kids would go to her with their problems and she knew the names and at least one thing about all of them.

She retired and a pencil pusher has taken her place, I have been up at the school biting her ear more in this last half year than all of the previous two. Wasting my time, she is only interested in making sure all her documents on the pupils are correct without actually caring about their needs or education.

Glad to hear your principle has more sense than his staff. It is just this sort of thing that kids remember long after they have left school.
 
Moblues, that was a wonderful post.
We do remember the good ones, don't we? Those teachers unique who gave a damn and cared enough to engage us.


You weren't allowed to read in his reading class. He must talk about reading. But my Mr. Holding allowed us to read.


munk


Brad,

I can't imagine trying to learn reading without reading, my mind boggles. With a four year old starting Kindergarden this fall it scares me.

With me going back to school I had a re-dose of the institutional mindset, my particular favorite school activity is that of the "unknown rule".

So you give an assignment to write an essay regarding topic X, you are to be sure to adequately cover the material, use proper citations, and quotes from pertinent sources are permitted.

So I write one, I use two quotes from the bible, and compare it to a quote given in a text.

I get a "C". Why? Because my quotes total word length approached 10% of the total words of my essay.

"unknown rule" strikes again.

I argued, and asked to be shown where it was written down in either the writing manual, class rules, or assignment rubrics, or assignment directions. I got my points back. Now she climbs through every assignment looking for things to downgrade me on.

Which leads me to Chapter two of the Holy Book of Bell, which begins "if thou challenges the mighty bureaucrat in their domain, beware of the death of a thousand cuts".
 
The teachers I remember instilled a sense of adventure in learning. They were brimming with enthusiasm and made education fun. Mrs. Garrison, my high school English teacher. She was a rather large woman, and wobbled more than walked as she made her way through the aisles, her flabby arms waving in the air as she excitedly expounded on some passage we had just read. Mrs. Sadler, my typing teacher. It never failed - every day she had a streak of bright pink lipstick on her front teeth. (I wasn't going to tell her.) A-S-D-F, space, J-K-L-semi, space! There are a few others. And then there was Mrs. Whitten, my third grade teacher in Nashville. Near the end of the school year, I broke my right arm and couldn't really do the cursive writing drills because of the cast. She used to let me listen to 45s through headphones while the rest of the class wrote. Lots of Jackson Five tunes (A,B,C, easy as 1,2,3). One day, on a dare, I asked her what a kotex was. She never did give me an answer, but boy did she laugh. God bless her.

Eric
 
I feel sorry for all the kids today, with all the schooling they must go through along with the work load and unrealistic expectations. They are spending far too much time in the classroom, and increasingly college and university have simply become the extension of high school, and a high school deploma that used to be a ticket for a decent carreer is worthless in todays job market.

The school system needs an overhaul to prevent so many kids that are now being left behind because they cannot keep up. Many of these kids will be short changed by this by being stuck in dead end jobs for the rest of their lives because the bar has been raised so high with an endless series of hoops and hurdles to jump through. These hoops include things like excess workloads along with ridiculous student loans they will be paying for for years to come.

There is a need to go back to what works. Perhaps highschool should end at grade 9, and make a highschool education standard for getting a decent job instead of years and years of expensive post secondary schooling that doesn't guarrantee a decent job.

Many school murders are a result of restless kids in school for too long who are frustrated with being stuck in school rather than leading a meaningful life. When I was 20 I was working and paying into my mortgage, and that was more satisfying than sitting around in a classroom with homework and deadlines interfering with my private life. By the time I was in my 30's that mortgage was paid off, where as today, many in their 30's have a long way to go with their mortgages.

Just the thought of doing homework makes me feel sick.
 
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