A Story About “Plastic” Handles/Scales…

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TLDR: FRN, Grivory, Zytel, CF Elite, etc are durable, functional, and strong materials for knife handles, and will likely outlive any user who purchases such a knife. In the immortal words of T Swizzle, “Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate.”

I was at my local knife store yesterday looking for a new EDC/work knife, and I was looking hard at the Benchmade Claymore models. The owner of the store happened to be there, and we started chatting about the newer Benchmade models.

Immediately, he started trashing Benchmade’s use of “cheap plastic handles” and how they haven’t been able to put out anything decent in a while. This guy is a “premium plus” dealer, mind you.

He asked what I was going to use the knife for, and I told him general EDC, but also while working as a first responder. He immediately took the Mini Claymore I was holding and put it back in the case saying “this cheap plastic won’t last you a day on the job.”

I asked him why he was so against the Grivory and CF Elite handles Benchmade uses, since they are both very tough materials. He went on and on about how they won’t last, they crack, they bend, they crumble after hard use, yada yada.

I pointed out that fiber reinforced nylons are not typical plastic, and they will likely last longer than I’ll be alive (I’m hoping for at least another 50 years). I used the example of vinyl siding, which is just PVC, and how houses have been covered in vinyl for decades without it degrading, despite being in the sun constantly. I then explained how FRN is even more tough than PVC. He didn’t understand what I was saying, and continued to trash the plastic handles.

Not wanting to argue, I thanked him for his time and went on my way. Little did he know, that’s particular day I was carrying my paratrooper knife that was used in the Vietnam war, and was working just fine with its plastic scales despite being at least 50 years old, and has actually been through combat.

Moral of the story is that no matter how hard people in shops and online like to trash “plastic” handles on knives, there really is no evidence to back it up. If done properly, like any major knife maker would do, the “plastics” will put up with use and abuse until long after anyone reading this turns to dust; and it will likely still perform like new!

I really believe future archeologists will dig up an old fully functioning Benchmade Griptilian and wonder how we ever got by with these instead of laser knives in our pockets.
 
I have no issue with synthetic handles...micarta, G-10, etc. I have, many, many, of them.

Some have a different "feel" than others and that difference in feel, rather than their potential longevity, is what might put me off one versus another.

How long something might endure or what it can stand up to is only part of the equation.
 
I have no problems with "plastic" handles on knives and I have many of them. I simply have a strong preference for other handle materials. At this point, just about anything will out live me so that is not ever a concern, for me at least.
 
How's that knife store doing sales wise?

I've met a lot of sales people and I've never met one that led by trashing what they were selling. The guy's the owner; if he doesn't like plastic he can be "Bob's House of All Metal Knives".
 
How's that knife store doing sales wise?

I've met a lot of sales people and I've never met one that led by trashing what they were selling. The guy's the owner; if he doesn't like plastic he can be "Bob's House of All Metal Knives".
Just a sales technique to get people to buy upmarket. More profit for the seller. I hate that approach.
 
I'm a big fan of delrin and g10. Not so much micarta due to its passion for absorbing liquids, victorinox's cellidor(sp?) Is also good
 
TLDR: FRN, Grivory, Zytel, CF Elite, etc are durable, functional, and strong materials for knife handles, and will likely outlive any user who purchases such a knife. In the immortal words of T Swizzle, “Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate.”

I was at my local knife store yesterday looking for a new EDC/work knife, and I was looking hard at the Benchmade Claymore models. The owner of the store happened to be there, and we started chatting about the newer Benchmade models.

Immediately, he started trashing Benchmade’s use of “cheap plastic handles” and how they haven’t been able to put out anything decent in a while. This guy is a “premium plus” dealer, mind you.

He asked what I was going to use the knife for, and I told him general EDC, but also while working as a first responder. He immediately took the Mini Claymore I was holding and put it back in the case saying “this cheap plastic won’t last you a day on the job.”

I asked him why he was so against the Grivory and CF Elite handles Benchmade uses, since they are both very tough materials. He went on and on about how they won’t last, they crack, they bend, they crumble after hard use, yada yada.

I pointed out that fiber reinforced nylons are not typical plastic, and they will likely last longer than I’ll be alive (I’m hoping for at least another 50 years). I used the example of vinyl siding, which is just PVC, and how houses have been covered in vinyl for decades without it degrading, despite being in the sun constantly. I then explained how FRN is even more tough than PVC. He didn’t understand what I was saying, and continued to trash the plastic handles.

Not wanting to argue, I thanked him for his time and went on my way. Little did he know, that’s particular day I was carrying my paratrooper knife that was used in the Vietnam war, and was working just fine with its plastic scales despite being at least 50 years old, and has actually been through combat.

Moral of the story is that no matter how hard people in shops and online like to trash “plastic” handles on knives, there really is no evidence to back it up. If done properly, like any major knife maker would do, the “plastics” will put up with use and abuse until long after anyone reading this turns to dust; and it will likely still perform like new!

I really believe future archeologists will dig up an old fully functioning Benchmade Griptilian and wonder how we ever got by with these instead of laser knives in our pockets.
It’s because most toys are made of plastic, so a knife that feels made from plastic feels like a toy. It all goes back to our childhoods. In the shopkeeper’s case, his little sister probably threw a Lego at his head when he was 5, so now he hates ALL plastics (or similar-feeling materials.)
 
Just a sales technique to get people to buy upmarket. More profit for the seller. I hate that approach.
We called that "Sell Against". You keep a particular brand in a back corner and when someone comes in on a budget you use those as a tool; but you'll get fewer people walking out on you if you it's Good vs. Better. Not Junk vs. Better.
 
I like composites OK, to me they are durable and for the most part worry free. You don't really have to worry about them breaking, scratching, etc. just clip/drop them in your pocket and go.
I suspect they are plenty durable for what a pocket knife will be used for. I also think that there is this mythos about how military, police, first responders, tradesmen, etc. will use their knives. They envision them prying open the armor of a tank to drop a grenade it, prying open burning car doors, cutting through 8 gauge copper wire, etc. While there may be some real "hard use" examples, I feel most people in these roles use their knives the same way as everybody else, open MRE's, open boxes, cut a loose string on your clothes, maybe cut through a little fabric, webbing, open an envelope, etc. There is the actual use of pocket knives, and then there is the envisioned fantasy of what it may be used for. I must admit that I find I am guilty of this sometimes.

Edited to say immediately after I posted this, I "hard used" my Kershaw Shuffle I am carrying to day to open a Slim Jim plastic wrapper. I am a real snack operator!
 
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