a very stupid question for Yvsa

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Hello Yvsa,

My friend and I have been wondering for some time about your name. Is it a cherokee word? I think this is a stretch but is it an anogram like Y.V.S.A? I know this is a very stupid question but I just finally had to know! Feel free to ridicule and harass me about my stupid n00b-ness.
 
Not a stupid question, and don't claim to know answer for sure, but it has been answered before.

I believe it is his Indian(NDN when Yvsa types it, and if you could explain that Yvsa, I would appreciate, as would rather not offend) name. I don't remember the meaning behind it either, but again, believe he has answered that question before too
 
Funny, I actually have been reading an old thread on this! Of course Yvsa can tell you much better than I, but I can tell you it is an Indian name and pronounced "Yuh suh" I believe.

Actually, it is an old Cherokee word that translates to "Warrior who travels with many strangely shaped sharp things".

(Just kidding on that last part! (-:)

Norm
 
ha, that much I got raghorn. :) Just wondered if it was something like a Jewish person typing G-d, where they prefer it not spelled out. IE Indian might be offensive, where NDN wouldn't be. Thanks though. :)
 
Nope, not a dumb question. A dumb question is the one that's never asked.:D

No, Indian isn't offensive. Actually most of us old ndns prefer Indian over the political correct Native American, although many of the young uns say Native American.
Hell, we're all, every one of us that's born here, Native Americans, it's just that some of us Native Americans are ndn.;) :D
The reason for ndn or indin or Indin is because thats the way we ndns pronounce the word. Raggie got it right in that it is said fast and short.
As to Yvsa, Yvsa is slang for yanasa or in another Tsalagi dialect, yanisse. Yanisse being syllabled out as ya-ni-s-se and yanasa as ya-na-sa.
Norm has it pretty close as Yuh-suh but it has a nasal tone in it between the syllables. Kis does it more correctly in his
Yuh n suh.
Yvsa or the other two ways is the Cherokee word for Buffalo. The public part of my ndn name is Yvsa Gigagei or Buffalo Red which when translated comes out to Red Buffalo.

The name Red Buffalo comes from the ndn name for the Prairie Fire which when it was burning sounded like a herd of stampedeing buffalo.
The prairie fire was utmost in it's destruction but right behind it came the refreshing, life giving rain, that when mixed with the ashes of the fire made for the absolute best growing conditions known to man at the time. After the rain the prarie blossemed with all kinds of beautiful flowers and tender grasses the buffalo and other animals love. So the prairie fire not only represents destruction on the one hand, more importantly it represents new growth on the other.
Sometimes it's a hard name to live up to but I always manage somehow it seems. At least I, and the elders above me are satisfied.:)
 
Cool! Great name. I love the duality behind the meaning of the name; destruction and new life. My family is mostly Danish and from northern Germany, so "Norman" (North Man) seems to fit pretty well. Doesn't have near the beauty and complexity of the Indian names though.

In talking with my wife and her family, I learned that for the Blackfoot anyway, it was not unusual for someone to have 2 or 3 names. One when they were a child, then an adult name, and then often 1 or more honorific names, i.e., a well-known, well-respected warrior could give one of his names to someone coming up, so to speak. To avoid confusion they would stick to one name, but it was not unusual for the few whites that lived and traveled and sometimes intermarried with one of the 3 great tribes of the Blackfoot to also be given their own Indian name by one of the elders that sponsored them (for want of a better term), that had previously belonged to him.

On a slightly related topic, when one of the California Indian tribes was putting together a proposal for a Casino on their land (which was approved), they demanded proof that you were indeed a member of that tribe in order to share in the profits. It had to be very well documented proof, and how folks had been named played a big part in it. I gather the job of verifying was more difficult as many older folks did not have formal birth certificates or Christian names of course.

(I tried to get in on the ground floor but they turned me down cold, although I told them my Indian name was "Stands On Seventeen." Damn! (-: Probably the 6' 8" height and flaming red beard at the time that wrecked it for me... (-;)

Those folks are all doing very well now. At last they found a way to make the system work _for_ them after all the years of it working against them.

Regards,

Norm
 
Thanks, this clears up alot, and now well know how to pronounce your name when were yelling "Yvsa likes fully convexed blades" and "why not Yvsa's superglue finish?" Its a nice name and one to be proud of. I wish I could get an ndn name.

About the indian/native american thing; I remember in one of George Carlin's books (and we all know he is a great source of info ;) ) he said that Columbus gave the natives the name "in dios" which means "in god" and the term was gradually corrupted to "indian". He said that the people werent named mistakenly as indians (as in that big spot on the map next to Nepal), and that white people came up with this idea during the civil rights or some other movement. He mentioned like you did that ndns didnt like the term native americans, which was politically correct drivel.

He then gave detailed instructions for smoking pot IN an airplane, not ON an airplane :) . Anyone who knows George's act knows what im talking about.
 
I love your name and definitely feel that spirit when reading your posts. You and Finn are definitely brothers.
 
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