About Sere 2000

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yuchang

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Many people say Sere 2000 is one of the best production folders as BM710 and Spyderco Military are. But I learnt from many reviews on the web saying VG-10's edge retention performance is behind D2, M2 and S30V and their toughness are somewhat equivalent.

This is one of them:
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/edge_testing_II.html

And I don't think Sere 2000 has better shape, better handle or better lock. Why is it still evaluated that highly?
 
So much goes into selection of a particular steel by the manufacturer, and a particular knife by customers. The overall package is more than the sum of its parts. Careful testing for certain factors is valuable, but not definitive.

Some steels would be excellent based on certain tests, but their expense and difficulty manufacturing makes cost prohibitive for the middle market.

Certain knife designs just seem to attract and keep fans. Others seem pretty similar, but fail to catch on. Sometimes a slight change in size or blade geometry will make the difference.

While you don't think the Sere 2000 has a better shape, better handle or better lock, others do. for example, the liner lock seems inherently more prone to failure than the old standby, the lockback. But the SERE 2000 has a reputation for doing the liner lock very well. Handle size and shape is the most individual factor possible. The "best" knife in the world just might not fit your hand or mine.
 
Also let's be fair here. D2 and M2 aren't stainless steels so it isn't fair to compare them to stainless steels. VG-10 is a Japanese steel used by Japanese manufacturers such as whoever makes the S2000 for Al Mar. S30V is an American steel used by American Manufacturers. As far as I know, VG-10 isn't available in the U.S. and S30V isn't available in Japan so the comparison there really isn't very fair either.

VG-10 is one of best of the Japanese steels for knife blades. It can be hardended up to the RC59-60 area and is considered very tough for a steel that can be hardened that much. It is actually my personal favorite knife blade steel. S30V is also a good one but you won't find it on Japanese made knives - at least to my knowledge. Take care.
 
I've always been very satisfied with the performance of my Spyderco VG-10 blades. Get very sharp, hold an edge, and very rust resistant.
 
Esav Benyamin,

I do agree on your phylosophy.

The Sere 2000 has been evaluated so highly by so many people. I think there must be reasons. I believe people who're fond of this knife could also hear the same reviews that are a little negative for Sere 2000 (after all, edge-holding ability of the blade material is a major criterion for selection), but they still love it that much. I just wonder why.
 
Not many years ago, 440A and AUS 6 were the latest and greatest hot new knife steels. Every few years, something else pops up as the standard which none of the others can match. Of course, this is advertising ... the older high carbon steels were also great performers, and still are, especially if you take care of their tendency to corrode.

And ALL the latest and greatest steels are extremely good. One of them may be best, but all of them are high performers. Which one is the least of them, and who among us uses his knife hard enough to find a flaw in its steel?

The SERE 2000 is attractive to people who want a knife with its bulk and strength, and a blade that will perform more than well enough.

I like my Sebenzas and Spydercos. De gustibus non est disputandum.
 
after all, edge-holding ability of the blade material is a major criterion for selection
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not necessarily, if you're living in the woods with a single knife that you sharpen on a rock then maybe, though it's not the case for most of the people around here... actually, I'm typing this sitting with S2K clipped to my pocket ;)
 
There were certain people here who raved about the SERE 2000, cough cough, that is until they handled some of the Bench Made Axis Locks. :) I have had the BM710HSSR for a long time and have yet to find a knife to replace it as my main EDC. I picked up a SERE2000 after hearing so many good things and while it's a fine knife, I didn't feel it was better than my 710. Then I saw some of the SERE2000 people aquire simliar BM models and the SERE2000 quickly took a back seat.

However, I can see why there are probably people who would take a SERE 2000 over a BM710 or whatever. It's a great knife, it's well finished, etc. I just personally prefer the speed of opening and closing I get with my axis locks, and feeling more comfortable with the security of the lock. Some people may prefer the look and feel of the SERE2000 over whatever kind of lock it has and how easy it is to open and close.

If I had to spine wack a liner lock while having my hand wrapped around the handle, I'd pick my SERE2000 over every other liner lock in my drawer. :) It's one of the few liner locks I trust.
 
WadeF said:
There were certain people here who raved about the SERE 2000, cough cough, that is until they handled some of the Bench Made Axis Locks. :) ... Then I saw some of the SERE2000 people aquire simliar BM models and the SERE2000 quickly took a back seat.
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That guy (cough cough ;) ) admitted that his dying love affair with the SERE was due to the right-handedness of it and the left-handedness of himself. I love my 806D2 and the axis lock is excellent - as a user it's probably the better knife by a small margin. But for a tough knife with excellent fit and finish - if things like even grind lines and dead straight/centered blades are important to you - go for the SERE.
 
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