Adjusting the Eccentric Pivot

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Here's my explanation of how to adjust the eccentric pivot on the Starmate and Military.
I have a Starmate. Great knife. The blade had some vertical play. It came came like that when I bought it, new, from the store. It passed the spine-whack test so I just ignored the play. But then it started to bug me. So I decided to try and adjust the eccentric pivot. The eccentric pivot allows the blade to be moved forward and back in the handle, thus affecting the blade's positioning in relation to the lockbar and stop pin, and the resulting lockup. It lets you fine tune the lockup, if you know how. Maybe this will help. Remember though, Spyderco's position is that this is not an adjustment people try themselves. Spyderco recommends that knives needing adjustment be sent in. Doing this may void your warranty. Proceed at your risk. But it really isn't that hard. Judge for yourself.
( Note: By "pivot bushing" I mean the part of the pivot that goes through the hole in the blade tang and around which the knife rotates. On the Starmate and Military the pivot bushing enters the handle from the left side. It has a smooth, domed head. The pivot screw holds the pivot bushing in place. The pivot screw takes a #15 Torx bit.)
Here's what you do:
One: Close the knife. Mark the present position of the pivot bushing in the handle. I put a piece of masking tape on the handle beside the bushing and made a mark on the bushing and the tape with a pencil. Or use a felt pen. Or whatever. YMMV.
Two: You have to partially unscrew the pivot screw so that it's screwed in only a few turns. If you unscrew the pivot screw all the way just put it back in a few turns. Use a #15 Torx bit.
Three: You have to push out the pivot bushing. It's press-fit into the handle. Holding the knife in your hands, press on the protruding screw head with your thumb, maybe put a coin between your thumb and the screw head. Or you can push on the screw head with the Torx screwdriver. YMMV. Push until the pivot bushing is pushed out and partially protruding from the G-10 handle scale.
( Note: You don't want to push the bushing out from the handle all the way, just part way. If you do push out the bushing completely, the thin red washers between the blade and the handle may get out of position and repositioning them may require taking the handle apart. So the bushing should partly protrude and not be completely pushed out. Make sure the pivot screw is screwed in a few turns before pressing on it to push out the bushing.)
Four: With the bushing partly pushed out, look beneath the protruding domed head. Right beneath the head you'll see a 12-sided surface, with 12 flats. Kind of like the edge of a 12-sided screw nut, if such a thing were made. This 12-sided part of the bushing mates with a similarly shaped hole in the G-10 scale when the bushing is pressed into the handle. This design allows for the bushing to be adjusted to 12 different positions in the handle, each position a 30 degree rotation from adjacent positions (360 / 12 = 30).
Now for the actual adjustment. Grasping the protruding domed head of the pivot bushing with your fingers, rotate the pivot bushing one position, or 30 degrees, either clockwise or counter-clockwise. You'll have to guestimate this.
(Because the initial adjstment of each knife will vary, there is no way of knowing which direction is the right way to go. So just choose one or the other. If the direction you choose doesn't work, then you'll go the other way. No harm done.)
Now, push the pivot bushing back into the handle. Check the lockup by opening the knife. There are a few different possible results:
(a) The lockup is perfect. Good. That means you turned the pivot bushing the right way. Just screw in the pivot screw and that's it.
(b) The lockup is almost perfect, with just a tiny bit of vertical play. That's probably as good as you can get it. Because the pivot bushing isn't infinitely adjustable but instead has 12 fixed positions it can be moved to, rotating the bushing to the next position will probably move the blade too close to the lockbar and stop pin.
But you can try the next position and see, if you want. Remember, the blade should be closed when rotating the pivot bushing.
(c) The lockbar won't engage the back of the blade tang. It won't pop out. This means the blade has been moved too far backwards. You now have to rotate the pivot bushing in the opposite direction
to move the blade forward.
(d) The lockup is worse. Even more vertical play. This means you rotated the pivot bushing in the wrong direction. Rotate in the opposite direction.
Keep trying different positions until you get it right. Or if this doesn't make sense to you or if you think you can't handle it, then send it in to Spyderco. But it really isn't that hard to do. Just give it some thought.
Well, that's the best explanation I can give. Hopefully others can add something to this. Good luck!
 
Hi marty!

wow, that made me sweat!

I'm so curios, that I had to do it.
I mean I did disassamble the knife before (starmate i'm talking about), but let the "pivot-bushing" in the scale.
Today I took it out to see what you described.
cool. I think G-10 is a great material.
As for the twelfe-sided surface, I was under the impression it was round, but just eccentric, as I found screws in my cupboard.

Puting back the "pivot-bushing" made me sweat (I was just thinking about an explanation to sal and the crew, for sending the parts back to reasamble them).
The "pivot-bushing" just won't get back in there, when I tried to open the blade a litte bit, flush it was in it's place.
:D

Man that was an experience.

Greetings
red

PS: thank you marty!
 
Marty,

Your highly detailed description of the adjustment process gave me enough confidence to try it. I have to say that I was incredibly satisfied with the results. I'm not a mechanically tinkering type, but had a Lum tanto and Starmate that I've been wanting to 'tweek' for so long, I just couldn't pass it up.
The process is not at all as arcane/mystical as I had envisioned and am quite relieved now.

For anyone out there who has an eccentric pivot 'tweek' that is like an itch you can't reach, give the above method a try.

The things I'd like to reinforce in Martys descrip. is that it would be convenient to mark the original position, but if you can hold the handle the same way with every pin turn and/or keep track of whether you just turned clockwise or counter and how many facets/flats you went over, the marking isn't necessary. Just go slow, careful and observant(and patient!).
It really is easy. When I popped up the pivot bushing and saw the faceted mating surface, I just felt a ton of relief that I knew I'd be able to do this, and I did.

I'm sure the crew at Spyderco has this down like no one else, but I think just about any of us can do this with satisfying results. The combination of the arc ramp and eccentric pivot on liner and compression locks are highly underappreciated, IMHO. This mech. pretty much assures the lock can last a lifetime, and then some.

Thanks for the excellent direction Marty. and thanks Spyderco for such an innovative(and simple) mechanism.

Ken
 
I have an older military with the three hole clip and nothced finger choil area. DOes this have an eccentric pivot?

JC
 
I've always adjusted my own. It's really not that hard, you just need to do it a couple of times and you've got it. As far as I know, Spyderco is the only one with this great feature. They could probably make a fortune licenscing it out.
 
Marty123 - ever thought of a career as a technical writer. That is a great job of detailing the process. Appreciate the effort.
 
Hi there. Thanks Sal. No, I'm not a teacher. I'm glad to see somebody has found my explanation useful. And, thanks to Costas, who first described adjusting the eccentric pivot to me, although not in such detail.

I had previously suggested to Spyderco that they explain, on their website, how knife owners can adjust the eccentric pivot by themselves, instead of making people either send in their knife to Spyderco, or alternatively, living with some misadjustment in their knife. For people living outside the U.S., especially, sending back a knife for adjustment can be kind of expensive, as well as bothersome. But, I can see now that Spyderco, as well as most, if not all, other knife companies, would be reluctant to encourage people to adjust or dismantle their knives, instead prefering that knife owners return their knives to the company for adjustment. An official, company- supplied explanation of any sort of adjustment to a knife would be asking for trouble, as some people will invariably screw up their knives, no matter how simple the adjustment, no matter how good the explanation. And then the company would be blamed. So it's up to us forumites to provide the explanations. Hooray!

So there.
 
I tried the instructions above on my Chinese folder and it really works. It felt sorta like disassemling my Sebenza for the first time, exciting, keep focussed, but in the end there is that satisfaction of knowing that you're able to maintain and 'fix' your tool almost indefinitely. Still I'd like to urge others to be careful, don't force things in their place too much, I think that could damage the pivot bushing. And use the properly sized key on the pivot, since it is not a torx screw, stripping could occur on the pivot pin.

In all, I am a little surprised that it could be done by myself rather quickly. Still, I too would like to admonish that this sort of thing will void the warrantee, but since I live in the Netherlands I figured that it would cost me money anyway to get this thing fixed. ;)

Wouter
 
does the shabaria have an eccentric pivot pin as well ? i'm curious because the liner on mine is almost all over to the other side.
 
Marty,
Thanks for your posting!
I just adjusted my Bob Lum C46 so now it's nice & tight.
Probably a lot safer too.

Thanks again!
 
Twenty years on, this advice is still spot-on!

- my newly acquired pe Starmate in 440v now has perfect lock up.
 
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