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Advice on a systems-type winter coat

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Howdy, y'all!

I need to replace my current hiking coat, a 10-year-old North Face Polarguard-filled model. It was an excellent piece of equipment and kept myself, my snowboarding brother, and even my mom warm for a decade. Alas, its insulation is smushed; the outer material is stretched and stained; in short, its long and useful life has ended.

But! now I can pour some attention into the enjoyable task of finding a replacement. Who better to ask for advice than the aggreagate wisdom of the Bladeforums wilderness and survival group?

The new coat's primary purpose will be daily use when I'm wearing casual attire, insulation during cold-weather hiking, and hopefully use during some snowshoeing and cross-country skiing. I live in Albuquerque, NM, and winters here are variable. Last year, we had a week where days were 5*F and nights were -10*F, but regular winter temperatures are usually 40*F daytime and 25*F at night. I plan to hike in the nearby Rockies, which are cold enough to merit warm clothing.

My preferred specs for this coat are:

- sufficiently durable outer material
- preferably synthetic insulation because, when exercising, I sweat a fair bit, although I'm not wholly against down
- if possible, a hood
- prefer it not be fleece so I can wear it by itself, instead of inside my Gore-tex parka, when walking my dog at night
- inexpensive if at all possible, because I'm a full-time law student and, thus, have very little disposable income

I'm open to a wide range of styles. This isn't a dress coat, so doesn't have to be snazzy. I have a North Face Gore-tex shell, also 10 years old but still in great shape, that provides wind and wetness stoppage. Therefore, this doesn't have to be a waterproof layer. Additionally, it doesn't have to be North Face (friggin' expensive!) nor does it have to be the standard nylon shell, snowsport-style inner coat.

Does what I'm looking for exist? Last year, LL Bean offered exactly what I want, but I opted to forestall purchasing a replacement for another year. Of course, the coat was discontinued in the interim :p I've looked at a Columbia Antimony III which is great in all respects except the length - it's just too short in the body and sits alarmingly close to my waist.

What do y'all recommend?
 
check out wiggy's (wiggys.com) they certainly aren't the most fashionable- but they are extremely functional and warm! imho the best sleeping bags too.
 
Ovcharka - thanks, I'll check out Wiggy's. I've heard of their sleeping bags, but didn't know they make coats too. Great name, by the way. Do you own an ovcharka or two?
 
Just one ovcharka- but I think she counts as at least 2 maybe 3 regular dogs! I also own a Wiggy's coat (the Liner Jacket) which is not the warmest model they make. I have worn it with a lightly insulated coat and a good base layer long johns while plowing snow on an open tractor on a -20f day and been quite comfortable.
 
Check out Wooltimate at Cabelas. Comes in hooded pullover, jacket and parka. Really comfortable and quiet. One of these may fit what you're looking for.
 
for skiing and snowshoeing (or any high aerobic activity) you want a system, not a single coat

your top should start w/ a long sleeve thin base layer- you will often be in just this layer on the move, if it's a little breezy or you need a little more warmth a winshirt is added- the windshirt is highly breathable, but stops wind it's tracks- they will also typically have a good DWR finish that will easily shed light rain/snow- it should also have a hood; IMO tough to beat the Patagonia Houdini in this category (but there others worth looking at)- they are extremely light (3-5 oz) and packs up to the size roughly of a pack of smokes

if the base layer and windshirt aren't warm enough on the move then a mid layer is added- I like the Power Dry offerings (Patagonia R1, many others)- you want a long zipper so you can vent adequately, if it's bitterly cold (probably not a problem in NM) a synthetic fleece vest over the mid layer

all of these "on the move" layers have some things in common, they breathe well- this is critical, if it doesn't breathe well you're going to get wet (getting wet in the winter is something you want to avoid at all costs), the other thing they have in common is they dry quickly- even with our best efforts you're going to sometimes get wet, these layers will dry quickly if you do

when you stop is when you want a "coat", down or synthetic and with a hood- lots and lots of good choices here; this layer also plays an important safety role- if you're forced into an overnighter this layer can save your bacon

if there is a chance of rain (or very wet snow) then pack a light rain jacket in addition

the beauty of this system (other than it works extremely well :D) is that most or all of this system can be used in the summer and shoulder seasons as well

there is no single "coat" that is going to be worth spit for snowshoeing or skiing, it's going to take several well chosen layers to insure you stay dry and warm
 
Ovcharka - you bet one 'charka counts as two or three dogs. I have a 155 lb.Newfoundland (same family, the Molosser bunch) and he's the size of two German shepherds. I'll dig around Wiggy's site and see if anything they offer fits my needs.

brizbane - I've dug around Cabela's site and haven't yet seen what I'm looking for. However, knowing to search the Wooltimate line specifically gives me much-needed direction.

mtwarden - I absolutely agree, any highly aerobic activity requires a layer system. In fact, layers are best whether active or stationary - they key is matching the number and types of layers to teh activity! A windshirt is functionally what I used to do; I had a wool/polypro belnd base layer with a fleece middle layer and my bicycling windbreaker for my winter activity clothing core, and it worked like a dream.

I still have proper base, middle, and precipitation-proof shell layers. What I'm needing is that potentially life-saving, low-activity layer, and for it to work not only in a wilderness setting, but as a casual everyday winter coat. My TNF Polarguard zip-in coat filled that role well for several years. I prefer to avoid down because it loses R-value when wet. Still looking for the right model though :-)

Thanks for the suggestions, y'all, and keep 'em coming!
 
depending on how warm you want to go w/ your insulating layer- for something on the lighter side I've had good luck w/ the Patagonia Nano series (60 gram Primaloft 1)

if you want heavier the Micro Puff series (100 gram Primaloft), heavier yet their DAS jacket (170 gram Primaloft)- the quintessential belay jacket
 
I own a Polarguard filled North Face belay coat that I have been using as... well... belay jacket while climbing and staying warm afterwards. Even for sleeping with underrated sleeping bags (weight counts, I try to make my insulation work all day). If that worked for you, I suggest getting a new one as a replacement and please, don't use it everyday or you will kill it in no time. I agree that when down gets wet, it looses insulating capability but... it will last a lot longer without loosing loft than synthetic. For an everyday use garment, that's what I would use.

Goog luck!
Mikel
 
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