Advice on removing convex and modifying to compound bevel

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I'm a pure newbie on knife sharpening, but is it possible to do this ? I drew an approximate removal of primary bevel, and then let the secondary sharpening be a compound bevel(that may overlap the initial primary steel removal.knife-edge-modified.png



The knife is a very small Bark River Bumblebee, with a 2 1/4" blade....I sharpie marked the flats surrounding the primary convex grind.

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I don't see why not, but you're going to want a belt sander to do it with. I must add that I am not sure I would want to learn how to do it with that knife though.
 
I don't see why not, but you're going to want a belt sander to do it with. I must add that I am not sure I would want to learn how to do it with that knife though.
So it will laugh at an 80 grit Venev Orion diamond matrix stone ?, I've got a new Makita 4" belt sander for wood working 🙂
 
I have only gone the other way. I did it by hand and it was very slow. I cannot imagine being able to hold a steady angle throughout that tiring process without a jig. Why do you want a flat grind?
 
Depending on just how much bevel you wish to make it will take hours with your Venev 80, but a whole lot safer. Grinding big bevels manually is a true test of patience, monk-like patience, but it will be a flatter bevel than done with a belt sander. It will give you time to change your mind about what you want before you screw anything up so there is that. If you are serious about this then if it were me I would take my time and rough it out with the sander, being very careful not to grind too far and keep it cool, then finish it manually, plenty of it manually. If your diamond stone doesn't work too well try loose abrasive with a tape holder. Seriously this is exactly what that type of "bond" is best at, big surfaces.
 
I have a TSProf that I was planning to try it on, and the 2 1/4" blade seems like a sensible/feasible sized project for a beginner. I'm trying to research the blade steel, I bought it a while ago here new in 2011....I think it's 154 but all I'm seeing is Elmax. So I'll keep researching to find out just how difficult this may really be for me.
 
Even on very small blades, grinding a VERY WIDE, flat bevel will take a long time, likely HOURS at least, if done by hand - and even slower, with the smallish stones used in guided systems. Especially when removing steel to a significant depth. Grinding time increases exponentially with the surface area being ground, due in part to the fact that grinding pressure will be distributed over a wider area and therefore reduced, the deeper you grind into that broad convex and the wider the contact area becomes as a result.

I'd suggest instead, just gradually thin the convex over time, each time you sharpen the blade. Don't worry so much about trying to make it flat. Making it thinner behind the edge will bring the greatest cutting benefit, and retaining the convexed 'shoulders' behind the cutting edge will also making cutting that much slicker. And that could be done over some time, just laying the blade flush to a sheet of wet/dry SiC sandpaper (start with something like ~ 150 - 220 grit) over a firm backing. Something like stone, glass or very hard wood, with a couple or three sheets of plain paper underneath the sandpaper, will allow the sandpaper to conform to the blade grind and keep the grinding scratches more uniform and neat, but still be firm enough to be aggressive and thin it out. A little finger pressure directly against the shoulders of the convex behind the edge will focus pressure in the area where the most work needs to be done to thin it.
 
it is very doable. I've done this exact thing to MANY MANY Busse combat and Swamprat knives.

Use that sharpie on the edge up to past where you want to remove material. if you go really slow you will have zero issues removing exactly the material you'd like.

you can ALWAYS take another pass, but you cant put steel back on. go slow, and check your work OFTEN! 😁

Dont hesitate to reapply the sharpie to make sure you're still making the correct progress according to your plan.

GOOD LUCK!

let us know how it goes.
 
Busse knives are convex ground?
well some are. mostly they are FAT behind the edge so taking material off where OP had indicated is beneficial to the overall performance.

I've had both convex and the above mentioned fat behind the edge blades. I've removed material from both types using the method described above with much success.
 
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