Advice on using Loupes to check edge please...

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Ok, I have purchased a couple loupes off e-bay this week (20x and 10x). I was just wondering, what do you guys check for when you are sharpening your knives? How do I use it, and what am I looking for? I hear most people mention using a 10x. Will the 20x be too powerful to be of any use, or is stronger better? Any advice you can give will be much appreciated.

Mike
 
I find 5 X is pretty effective. I guess 20 X would be a bit much, with too small a field of view, jumping around a lot. Using a loupe you should be able to see the marks left by your sharpener on the secondary bevel. Are they thorough, or just a lightly scratched overlay on the factory sharpening? Are they equal width or are they wider at the tip or on one side of the blade? Can you still see dings in the edge from hard use?
 
Mike :

I was just wondering, what do you guys check for when you are sharpening your knives?

Get the sharpest knife you have and examine its edge, now you know what it should look like, this is your reference when working on a blade. Look at it from the sides as well as straight down into it. Try a few different blades, one which is highly polished and shaves well, and another which is left a little coarse to slice rope really well.

Will the 20x be too powerful to be of any use, or is stronger better?

Ideally you want a low powered one to run over the edge quickly to make sure there is no major damage and that you are honing at the right angle, then you switch to a high power one to check it in detail. I usually finish with 20x simply because I have not got around to buying a better one. The higher mag you use the more detail you will be able to see.

Looking at the edge allows you to see exactly where you are honing from the scratch pattern as well as how the steel is reacting to the abrasive. Is it being cleanly cut in which case the edge will be formed by teeth which are uniform in size and shape, or is the abrasive breaking the steel apart in which case the edge will be very coarse and irregular.

The biggest problem it solves is the frustration of trying to sharpen an edge that doesn't take because it is much more heavily damaged than you think. You can readily see indentation , corrosion and chipping under magnification that you can't by eye. This will let you know how much work has to be done and how close you are to completing it.

It also lets you grade stones quite easily by looking at the scratch patterns they produce.


-Cliff
 
Hi Medic. I carry a 10X in my pocket at all times. I have a 12X, a 20X and a 50X in by briefcase. Don't leave home without one. They are indispensible in learning about edges.

sal
 
I've tried the 10x in my right eye and the 20x in my left and I got a headache. Then I tried reversing them and the same thing happened. I got another headache. With either combination, besides the headache, I could never seem to focus on anything.

So I gave up on loupes.

Now when I want to look at something real close up, I just squint really hard. Or I walk over the the Bausch & Lomb Stereo Zoom 7 microscope at the end of the work bench and flick on the dual fiberoptic light source. It makes things so much clearer. Once you start looking at the tiny things with stereo optics, it's real hard to think about using any type of monocular optical device.

It's really great for removing those tiny steel slivers that you can feel in your finger, but can't even see by the naked eye. Once you get used to the depth of field and ability to see curves that stereo optics give you, it's hard to go back.

Sometimes it's really good to be married to a woman who's spent a many years working as an inspector in the semi-conductor and microelectronics business (pretty much all the time with my wife)! There are fringe benefits.

I'm hoping that some day if I ever finish a knife, I might get to try engraving using the scope.

I guess for a guy like Sal who needs portability, the loupes make sense. But for me, God gave me two eyes and I want to use both of them!

By the way, Sal, did you know that Leica makes a really cool pair of compact binoculars that can double as a small stereo microscope with a briefcase sized attachment/stand? How cool is that? With the stand, they would certainly be larger than a couple of loupes, but would still fit in most brief cases with room to spare.

jmx
 
Hey Jmx. Thanx for the tip on the Leica, Ill check it out. We use stereo Mics in th lab, but I do travel a bit. I've been getting my scopes and loupes from Edmund Scientific for 25 years. Great stuff.

sal
 
If you are looking for a loupe these folks have a good selection. They sent my order out fast and the Chinese-made product quality is first-rate: PP Gift/Magnify Store. I have no relationship with them other than being a satisfied customer.
 
Thanks Pete, but I have already purchased a 20x and 10x off E-bay. Should receive it Mon or Tues. BTW, same ones as the company you showed. They are Triplett 20x 21mm silver and 10x 17mm gold. Paid $17 something for the set.

Mike
 
A loupe is also a good way of spotting the wire edge. I tend to keep my fingernails really short and have a hard time checking for a wire edge with them so I use the loupe and it works quite well for that purpose.
 
I picked up a stereo microscope years ago at a yard sale. A few modifications were needed to get a large blade under it! I often use it to examine edges. I'm not really sure of the magnification, it's about like a 20-30X loupe but much easier to use. Both eyes provide a more 3D view.

Neil
 
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