Advice sought on installing a sheath frog.

David Stifle

David Stifle

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Hi Guys,

i'm looking for some help on installing a frog on a sheath. Seems simple, but...the more I thing about it the more I realize what a newbie I am:)

Thanks,
Dave
 
First, you kill a frog.........no that's not right. Really, first, what exactly do you think a frog is? Many people have very different idea about just what the term frog describes. If you mean a removable device for attaching an otherwise sash sheath to a belt, then we are on the same page. If you mean the little stud like thing either store bought or custom, then that's another thing. Clarify and we'll go from there.

Paul
 
Paul, I was referring to the stud that supposedly prevents a knife from slipping through the belt.

Dave
 
Ah! A Sam Browne stud!


You'll need the little anvil tool to properly install the kind with the rivet. I've tried without it and it can be done, but its a lesson in frustration.

I dont suggest the screw back. It doesn't like to stay in place.
 
David Stifle said:
Paul, I was referring to the stud that supposedly prevents a knife from slipping through the belt.

Dave
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Punch a number 3 punch hole, insert the rivet (washer) in the hole and with the special anvil drive the rivet washer back into the stud. The Sam Browne button/stud goes into the anvil. See link below for purchase information.

http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/search/searchresults/1309-02.aspx The Craftool Stud Anvil (8112-00) is pictured just below the large picture.

The proper name for this particular item is Sam Browne Stud or button.

Good Luck

Paul
 
Thanks Guys,

I didn't know you can buy them, I was going to make one out of nickel silver. I'd planned on tapping it and threading it into a thin piece of metal then peining it over. Buying one sure sounds simpler. Paul, thanks for the purchase info too.

Dave
 
More and more often I see the Sam Browne stud used as restraint to keep a sheath from sliding down from a within the waistband carry. This was not the original intention of this or any other type of stud. The stud was originally used as a secure fastening device for a detachable belt loop known as a "FROG" and often seen in the carry system of military bayonets and, on occasion, swords. The Sam Browne stud, considering its small size, is not a good choice for carrying a knife on your person in an inside the waist band carry. A stud with a much larger diameter head can be used but still has the disadvantage of a tight sheath being withdrawn from the inside the waist band carry along with the knife---bummer! If you do not have the facility or ability to create large diameter studs you can substitute good quality door or drawer pulls and rework them by shortening the post portion to accept, closely, the thickness of the belt used. The SB stud works quite satisfactorily with a frog but has doubtful benefits without the frog---------------Sandy
 
Thanks Sandy,

I didn't know that, thanks for educating me. But, I can't visualize how the sam brown stud could work on the belt loop, it can't be the only retainer to hold the sheath to the belt. How was it done?

Dave
 
Okay, David The Sam Browne stud is used two ways.

1. As an anchor for the retention strap instead of a line 20 snap. It "button" snap onto the stud instead of the traditional snap devices. This would be used on a belt loop sheath and would be independent of the belt loop.

2. As a stop on a Sash style sheath. A sash sheath has no loop or other means of fastening to a belt. It just slips under the "sash" or belt and slides in until it is stopped by the stud. The Sam Browne stud discussed is large enough to accomplish this, however very often a larger custom stud is used.

Paul
 
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As Sandy noted the Sam Browne stud (actually a very late, post 1900, name for it - earlier they were just called studs of buttons) was originally intended to be used with a frog. The whole sash idea is basically a modern one althought there are period images of them carried thusly under a belt or sash using only the stud this are almost all props used in the studio - field images have them almost always used with a frog. Retention straps are also a modern item - period sheaths just did not use them - at least I've never seen them on the hundreds of original sheaths I've examined and the thousands of photos viewed (still there is a possibility, but they sure weren't in common usage).

As for how the stud and frog aka belt hanger work......

The stud is on the sheath body and the frog sits to the side (ignore the double thong on the sheath that's for retention purposes per customers request)
front-3.jpg


The frog attached to the sheath - this is just one style of frog used:
front-2.jpg

As you can see the sheath slide into the large frog loop and the small strap fits over the stud to lock it in place - not all frogs have this second strap and are made to a bit different pattern. You can see an original with another stye frog here.........
http://www.aaawt.com/html/firearms/f419.html

hope that helps........
 
Got it, Guys. Funny, that is exactly the type of sheath I just made, although when I made it I didn't know how to install the stud, so I sewed the sash onto the body. I will post pictures later, as I am very interested in input.

Thanks for the help.

Dave
 
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