AEB-L Etch

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Good day all.

I'm hoping to get some info/insight about this etch on some AEB-L.
HRC 61
.070 thick
Sanded to 400 grit, not cleaned with anything, just wiped clean with paper towel.
Etched in FC at 60 degrees for 30 minutes
Rubbed down with steel wool lightly, although the pattern was pre-wipe.
Re-etched another 30-ish minutes.

What is the striated pattern and what is the dark at the tip and heel?

Scott

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It was either not cleaned completely or you may have something in your acid. I would sand it again, clean it again with soap and water, dry, then Etch again. Check to make sure you’re getting the blade completely etched after a few minutes, scrub with a makeup pad that’s saturated with the ferric chloride and let it soak for a while.
 
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Thanks Josh, I will try it again.

I figured that if I didn't contaminate the blade with anything, straight from sanding, that I wouldn't be introducing or influencing anything.
I get this pattern on O1 blades as well.
The FC is fairly new with distilled water at 3 to 1 ratio, stored in a PVC tube, capped tight, although it stays in the cold shop. Could storing it cold effect it?
 
I doubt it, it may just not have completely coated the blade for whatever reason. I keep mine in the garage as well, I just got a new batch of it because I was getting crazy looking patterns on the steel.
Sometimes warming up the blade a little with a heat gun helps too.
 
Thanks, heating the blade is a good idea, since I can't heat the mixture in the PVC tube easily.
Should the mixture be stirred before use?
Is a 400 grit finish sufficient to get a nice even coloring?
I just broke the very tip on this now test blade (dropped on wood shop floor, stuck in on angle while I was walking and Bigfoot kicked it) so I can use it to try other things.
 
That’s a good question, I’m not entirely sure but I always stir it up just in case it separates.
As far as my experience, I’ve never had a problem with uniform finish even with a belt finish at 400
 
Total guess here I have never etched anything but could it be that the tip and heel got a little too hot when grinding and softened maybe causing the colour difference. They're the easiest spots to burn. Try taking an unhardened piece and see if it comes out darker.
 
Thanks Scott.
Yes, that makes sense. I did discolor the heel and tip some. A very light yellowish color.
 
I had a situation when I sprayed windex some made its way into my acid. Got a similar pattern, however not as consistent as yours
 
Would a small amount of Windex, say sprayed in the air around the FC , not directly into the container, ruin the batch?
 
I would wager a bet that is grit scratch lines. Are you 100% sure you removed all the previous grit scratches. I normally go to 600 grit hand sand if I’m going to etch.what clues me in is right at the plunge cut I can see the etch pattern swoops down and is straight lines till the nose/belly where it becomes jumbled. This tells me when hand sanding you where short stroking the tip/belly area and one direction dragging from the plunge cut. This is pore technique as you should drag from plunge to the tip and fallow the direction of the edge. Your scratch pattern will always be parallel to the cutting edge.
 
Hey JT.
Well, I assumed I had removed all the previous scratches. At least 6 strips of 400 grit and hand cramps should have done it. My 240 grit lines were at a slight angle from straight on the last passes of it.
Yeah, the final 400 passes were following the bevel edge, it was the only way the pattern looked OK to me. The flats were pulled straight - ish.
This was mostly an experiment, but with the results I got, it left me to wanting to know why.
Higher grit next time and maybe back to 400. ?
Thanks for your input.
 
When I hand sand I usually go through at least one full sheet per grit maybe more. Usaly get only a handful of strokes per strip. Once I feel like it’s lost it’s cutting ability I toss and use another strip. You shouldn’t have to push really hard. Let the abrasive do the work and if it requires more force then change the paper. Also use a liquid when you sand. I use windex when I hand sand and really like it. You will get a lot more life out of your paper when using it with a fluid that can wash away the swarf.
 
Did the tip set at the bottom of your tube? I get that sometimes if my FC is getting old and settles out to pretty much rust in the bottom of the container.
Also I have played around with wiping on Wd-40 on a blade then blotching it with a dry towel and then itching it in FC solution you get some interesting effects much like a Damascus type pattern. You do ruin that batch o FC since it does have oil in it.
 
Ok, a few things going on here.

1. When etching in FC, the etchant will exaggerate the grit marks, because in effect, it is eroding them further. So, the lower the grit, the more pronoun the lines will be AFTER etch. On Damascus and stonewashed blades, I always go up to at least 1,000 grit, but most often 1,500-2,000.
2. The darker areas of etch is likely happening because the hardness of the underlying steel is different than the lighter portions. This, in some cases, can be indicative of the blade having a unfavorable heat treat/temper, or because you knocked the heat treat out when grinding by getting it too hot. If you got it a straw color, I imagine you're fine.
2a. Now, how to fix the dark spot. When etching, you are eating away steel and forming oxides. When there are variations in the hardness of steel, finish, or light contaminants. There is a process you can follow to minimize this effect while etching. It can be a temporary effect in the final product, if you'll do a little work for it.
2b. When finishing your blade and preparing it for etch, you'll want to take it to the final grit, in my recommendation, as high as 2k, and after, you'll want to clean it with acetone, and wash it with water to make sure any particles and oils are off of it. You can switch up order of operation of water first and then acetone in order to test how it works for you, but I want oils off first, and then to rinse everything, so that works for me. Once you do that, don't touch the blade with your hands, or sit it on anything dirty. Right into the etch it should go.

The cycling for FC is entirely dependent on the reaction of the steel to the etchant. There is, however, one caveat. The more oxides that build up, the longer the etch will take, until the oxides create a resist. If you leave a piece of highly resistant steel in a bath for 30 minutes, changes are the oxides are building up, and slowing the reaction of your etch. The time you have it in will have diminishing returns the longer it goes, if it's building an oxide layer. This, of course, is not solved by leaving it in overnight. You'll find an undesirable finish on your blade if you have deep scratches and allow it to eat away for long periods of time.

I focus on sprints. 5-15 minute cycles, anticipate 4-6 cycles, or until the desired finish is there. There is no magic, there is only patience and constant evaluation. In between cycles, I will use sandpaper and lightly sand the oxides off, starting with the next grit up from your finishing grit. So, if you got it to 1k, hit it lightly with a 1.5k. This goes on up the grits to 2.5k-3k. Very lightly. You are not looking to remove all of it, just even the oxide layer and expose lightly etched or non-contacted steel. In between cycles, the blade is Windexed or dipping in a baking soda bath to neutralize the etchant, and to allow you to run it under water and sandpaper it. Then back into the bath. Do this as many times as it takes to get your desired finish. Keep your cycles time as low or high as it needs to be for you to remove enough oxides to even it out, and cycle as many times as you need to to get the finish you want.

Think of it as building up layers. But also think of it as those layers working against you if they get too thick in some areas. You remove some of the material in order to expose the areas that haven't received as much corrosion.
I hope this helps. I provided two examples of my etched blades to show you what outcomes I get. One is a stonewashed finish after etch, and the other a standard etch w/ an instant coffee etch of 8 hours after. The coffee etch works really well to provide a deep black color, but the corrosion will minimal on stainless. I have it pretty well dialed in. The thing to remember with your etching process is that the fundamentals are the same regardless of high carbon or stainless, but the stainless will have a slower reaction time and require more cycles, because the metal composition is designed to reduce corrosion.
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Thank you Guys.
Seems that the answer lies in the higher grit sanding, cleaning very well and multi-dips, etc.
I usually do sand to 400 grit, I like the look (no etching). I use the sandpaper almost wastefully and don't ever push hard, just flat. Still learning what works well. Hand cramps come from pinching the paper around my narrow sanding block.
As I said, this was an experiment to see if AEB-L would patina with the acid, if I would like the look and what was going on with the weird striations and dark spots.
I'll play with it some more, use the graciously supplied info and see what comes of it.

You guys rock for sharing, Thank you all!
 
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