after hurricane sandy...lessons learned.

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i was spared from the brunt of the damage and only suffered a week of no electricity...regardless, i still learned a couple of valuable lessons.

gas:

- i had enough gas in my cars but after a week of no power (and i have a 4-month old niece needing gas for the generator for heat) i had to go wait in line just like everyone else to fill up. the odd/even license plate and rationing was in effect but i was covered either way. for those with two or more cars, i recommend having odd/even plates - get a vanity plate if you have to to make sure you do.

- i have a 5-gallon gas can which saved me from frequent trips to the station. most people i saw were holding 1-2 gallon cans only...ideally, i would have two 5-gallon cans (one for each hand) or more...less trips to the gas station. i was just about ready to buy a red spray paint and paint one of my 5-gallon water containers if the power outage went on longer (most gas attendants probably wouldn't notice and the gas would've gone straight to the generator anyway after just a few blocks) - regardless, i'm stocking up on gas cans as soon as they're available again in stores.

- if there's a long line at the gas station, go fill up after rush hour. most people have a strict schedule of when they can go take a lunch break (usually around 11 am to 1 pm) or have to be at work at a certain time, so i took advantage of that and filled up when it's the least busiest...i'm a night owl so i went to the gas station after 10 pm - only 1 block line/10 min wait compared to over an hour during the day! if there was still a long line, i just parked my car a block away and walked up to the pump with gas can in hand...usually the line for the "walkers" is way, way shorter than the car line!

- the gas line is multi-blocks long? "cut" the line by driving on the intersection perpendicular to the line that's closest to the gas station and making a right turn so you're only one block away from the gas station. it's perfectly legal and ethical - they have a red light and you have the green so you have the right of way so they have to let you in.

- i didn't evacuate (my area wasn't at high risk of flooding) but if i did i'd probably hang a glow-stick somewhere near the window to give the impression to would-be looters that there's a candle/lamp burning so the owner is inside. if the house is un-livable but i'm allowed to go back in to get my stuff, i'd replace the glow-stick as often as i can.

- stock up on gas cans. don't even bother trying to siphon off gas from your car's gas tank if it's a newer model - chances are high it'll have a one-way valve. on cursory web research, there's a way to drain the gas tank from the bottom or tapping the fuel line/using the fuel pump to drain it but i'll have to research it more for the future just-in-case.



rechargeables:

- my apc cigarette lighter inverter was awesome at charging cell phones, batteries, laptop, etc. note though that you can overload it and blow your car's cigarette lighter fuse so know the location/s of it and stock up on it ahead of time just in case. high-drain on startup appliances like microwaves/toasters/space heaters (or in my case, my niece's baby bottle sterilizer) is a no-go. you can use the inverter in your car even when the engine is not running (just have the ignition key turned so that the dash lights are on) but note that the car's battery is not charging if the engine is off so have a jumper-cable and another car ready to jump-start it if you accidentally drain it...running the engine will recharge the battery.

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- for some reason, energizer lithium batteries (way expensive compared to normal aa batteries to boot) in my goal zero battery pack failed to charge my cell phone. aside from the goal zero brand batteries (which is nimh batteries), the energizer rechargeables also worked (also, nimh). all my gear are used hard but i gotta admit this battery incompatibility caught me off-guard...good thing i didn't stock up on those lithiums.

lithium on the left, rechargeables on the right:

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- my goal zero solar panel was completely useless the first 3 days after the power went out since it was very cloudy. i wouldn't rely on just it recharging my electronics when it's not summer...a cigarette lighter inverter is far more reliable year-round.



water:

- my uncle lives on the 18th floor of an apartment building and when the power disappeared so went his water supply (the electric pump shut down) and the elevator (the 1st floor flooded so did the generator). i live in a normal house and my water and gas were fine without power...regardless i've stashed enough water and firewood (even though i don't have a fireplace but do have an emberlit and charcoal grill) to last me a month...know your basic utilities! needless to say, he learned from me and will be stocking up on water from now on - i told him every time i finished off a 2-liter soda bottle i rinsed it and filled it with water for backup).



cash:

- i hate cash but i always have at least a month's worth of cash stashed all over the place (mostly in the cars' glove box for emergency and hookers :eek::D). it paid off since all gas stations only accepted cash...the lines to the bank was just as ridiculous as the gas stations.

- be nice to your gas attendants in good times (tip well if you can or at least fill up on a specific station often enough to be recognized as a loyal customer)...there was a $40 limit/rationing thing going on but guess what? when it came time for me to fill up i got as much gas as i wanted...barring that, gas attendants are minimum wage workers. $10 right off the bat and they quickly forget about the rationing thing.



lights:

- my headlamp was way more useful than normal flashlights for the extended outage. everyone keeps wanting more and more lumens but for everyday chores, my petzl was on low-mode most of the time (i know the high mode is 80 lumens but not sure what the low mode is). i even laid it flat on a table and it provided enough ambient light that i didn't need a separate lamp for that.



911:

- phones were down for a week (land-line and cell) in my neighborhood and i rarely saw any cop cars. i do have bicycles and know where the nearest police precinct is so i could've gone there in case of fire/etc...not sure what other people who actually had an emergency did though to get help.



porn:

- your gf is freezing, your laptop is dead, and there's a curfew so you can't go looking for hookers :eek::D keep your stash of paper-based porn along-side your guns/ammo/shtf supplies :p
 
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I have went through many power outages. they do make larger inverters that hook directly to your battery with jumper cable style connections that can power larger items. Something I always wanted to look into was a handle pump I could add to my well. Dont know what the depth is though.
 
Thanks for sharing the experience. I haven't went more than a day without electricity in a while, but I do have a plan if it gets down to it. As far as gas, I have several of the 5 gallon cans full in my shed. A few cases of water stored, and tons of wood around me if I need it.
 
some suggestions after 50 years of living on the central Gulf Coast of Florida

water....store some... have a way of filtering (Sawyer .1micron shown) or purifying some...33gal trash can in shower for flushing and shower...garden sprayer for pressure

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communication... good Weather Alert with SAME format, AM/FM radio... these are AA powered.. a portable 12v digital TV is a good addition... land line phone not needing AC power



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cooking... I've converted to propane, with adapters and bulk fill lines... in addition to a 2 burner camp stove, and tailgate grill...single burner propane, Swiss Ranger with Sterno,Trangia alcohol, DIY alcohol that burns isopropyl, tommy cooker

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light... couple of large fount Dietz kero lanterns., AA LED lantern, LED task light, Black Diamond head lamp..Fenix E21..all lights are AA

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heat... if you choose propane.. catalytic space heater, bulk tank radiant heater... also have a kero radiant portable on the way

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down here the heat is pretty brutal during hurricane season, especially with the house boarded up... D cell tent fan with a model plane collet adapter for blade, 12v fan runs off battery tap

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a couple of 5/7 day coolers.... one for ice, one for food... gallon jugs frozen solid...if you have any specific questions... ask

options to charge your AAs...7w solar, 12vdc, 120vac with controller charger...., the Guide 10 battery pack from AC or any USB to miniUSB in, and USB out to power cell phone... Sanyo Eneloop 1600 mAh NiMH rechargables... 12v female tap with battery cable clamps...12v auto battery...on standby at beginning of each hurricane season with float charger

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Was without power for 6 days this time.No land line and limited cell. 7 and 9 days last year. Learn from your mistakes. I had a 5 KW generator and 30 gal of gas when Sandy hit. Had to run the gennie for only 2-3 hrs/3times a day to keep things good.Used 12-13 gal gas in 6 days. Frozen water bottles in freezer and fridge to maintain cold worked well. I have my well and oil burner on the gennie but used the wood stove for heat. The problem for me is my job as an environmental health inspector goes bats$%t crazy when we lose power. I was working 12 hr shifts and trying to keep up with crap at home.I serviced the gennie before I put it away. Ready for Ma Natures next big dump!:D:thumbup:--KV
 
I have a lot of room and space (I live on a farm) and my profession is construction (the farmland is rented out) so I have a lot of gear. I have three generators, two that I picked up from an army surplus dealer and one I bought from a friend awhile back. All of the generators work, and if they don't their the types that are easy to fix. I got 25 gallons of gas in 5 5-gallon Jerries. I also have a four wheel drive SUV and a four wheel drive pickup.

As an outdoorsmen I have a full set of camping gear including electric lanterns, stove, flashlights, tents, portable heaters etc. I also have water purifiers.

As a man that likes BBQ I have two grills, a large supply of charcoal and four propane tanks for heaters and grills.
 
Personally, I would be careful about cutting lines, even if there was an easy way to do it, or if I did it by accident. Maybe its the Canadian side of me, not wanting to cause trouble. Its just that you never know what might push someone else over the edge. And thats trouble I don't need.

Be careful of any methods for draining fuel from your car, most of them are considered "shop only" procedures, and that valve or line may have seized, corroded, or have other problems. it seems simple, but TAG OUT your car. disconnect the battery or have all the keys in your pocket. whatever it takes, I know from experience how messy things get when someone "accidentally" turns the key on when you are in the middle of a fuel filter swap..... not good in a double contained shop, worse in your garage, and when that fuel is "Mad Max" precious. Most modern cars can easily put 40-60PSI into the fuel line. My VW did 70PSI minimum. that much pressure out of a 1/4 inch line, and things get ugly.
Add to that the number of times I saw fuel lines fail during the disconnect, or not seal again when complete, everything gets drenched in gasoline, and if you have limited water for washing, its not good. Personally I would consider any fuel in a car off limits. The risk of disabling the car is just too great for me to want to risk it. A lot of internet mechanics say its easy, and in theory it should be. theory and practice are never the same.
That said, if disabling the car is no problem then getting fuel from it is simple. If you have battery power, then disconnecting the fuel line from the fuel rail under the hood is easiest, then run another line from that to your container, and hit the power. (carefully, still a fire danger) Without battery power, you can blow the fuel out by applying compressed air (or whatever else) to the filler hole, sealed with a rag or something. (also a handy way to prime mechanical fuel pump engines) Or start filling the tank with water and siphon off the fuel that comes to the top of the filler tube, as the water will fill the tank from the bottom. And if all that fails, spike the bottom of the tank, just don't use an electric drill, there are easier ways to die.
 
A propane powered generator, or one converted to propane, is better then gasoline in emergencies. Cleaner, less maintenance, and propane can be safely stored much longer and in larger quantities then gasoline.

Please, rethink the "accidentally" cutting in line suggestion, that's a lot of desperate, sleep-deprived people behind you.
 
As far as gas, I have several of the 5 gallon cans full in my shed.

I think it's a good idea, but gas goes stale pretty quickly within a few months or so..

You have to be organized and have a system to rotate the contents of those cans through your car and refill the can.
 
I have a 4 month supply of food. I have gravity fed water filter big enough for my whole family's water needs. I have a liquid fuel stove (two burner camping style), a charcoal and gas grill.

Knives, Guns, Bullets.......yup.

What I don't have is a generator. Not to worry, I am only a few blocks from my parents house. They have a very nice generator, fuel, and more importantly, their house can be entirely heated with their very efficient fire wood stove. They also have about a years worth of fire wood (at least). The wood supply has not been renewed for many years. We went a little overboard a long time ago (my dad worked as a logger in college). We have always cut fire wood as part of normal life growing up.

Even better, my folks have a several year food supply and water supply for the entire family (though two of kids have moved away). They also have a decent sized garden.
 
I have used 2000 maH rechargable Duracells (double A) in my metal detectors, remotes etc. for years. When I bought the 2600 maHs they didn't work worth a fiddlers fart in any device.
 
might be a voltage thing, my Dad had some old AA powered CB radios that used ni-cads, or alkylines, but you had to put in two dummy batteries if you were using the alkys, as they would over-volt the circuits if you used the full number.
 
CASH/Gold/Sliver /Lead is King! this is what most think that Credit Cards rule Not so outside of Metro areas Most Mom & Pop do not have or care for them as the charge eat's into the profits So have Lot's of Cash as that is What your CC is based on Small bills!
If you go outside of the USA that is the Rule.
As many found and do Not understand is that CC's are run through a Few Servers when no Electric zippo !!!! negative!
 
I have used 2000 maH rechargable Duracells (double A) in my metal detectors, remotes etc. for years. When I bought the 2600 maHs they didn't work worth a fiddlers fart in any device.

The 2600 mAH cells self-discharge rapidly. If you take them out of the charger and use them immediately they work well, but in an application like a remote control they're pretty useless -- you have to recharge them every few weeks whether you use them or not.

Hybrid rechargeables last much longer in an application like that where shelf life is the important thing, not capacity.
 
Urban survival isn't pretty, neither is human nature in many cases. But part of survival is eliminating unnecessary risk.
 
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