After the Filipino Martial Arts, what's your Back Up Art?

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Artiste De FM

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Good Evening Gentlemen,

Happy Belated Turkey Day to all Forum Readers.

First of all, thanks to everyone who studies FMA, voraciously. That's Great.

Now then. To Frame my Question.

Assuming one of the Filipino Styles is your Primary Focus at this time. What non Filipino style do you naturally roll into if " Opportunity " presents itself?

Do you feel there is synergy between the two arts? Does it feel choppy when you transition? Smooth? Are you happy with utilizing your Non FMA knowledge and Skill Set seamlessly with the FMA?

FMA's calling card at least in Perception is Weapons based expertise yet long time students and those well read know there is a variety of fighting skills contained with the System ( s ) that have nothing to do with weapons or improvised weapons at all.

I personally like Brazilian Jujitsu as a " back up " sidearm. I feel that developing a " natural " flow between Kali and BJJ is up to the Individual to train. The Chokes and Arm Submissions using a Gi / No Gi / translate well when the Opportunity is there. Does it feel choppy for me?

Yes. There are moments when I reflect for a second on " sit and roll " takedown versus just doing it and taking what's available.

Yes, one second in combat is synonymous with one second in Formula One Racing. hehe. An eternity.

So if you'd like to share, I'd like to know. What's your " Complimentary " cup of Tea? Boxing? Wrestling? Muay Thai ? Silat? Quick Draw Sidearm? Do you train to mix the two? purposely?

Ultimately, I'm sure the JKD crowd and many other enlightened souls would agree that in the end. It really is all about you.


Enjoy the Benefits of Training the FMA's.

ADF
 
The stick work, blade and hand compliment one another. Striking patterns are very similar to some of the empty hand blocking/striking patterns incorporated our Jiu-Jitsu techniques. Working with the sticks makes the hand fly when you're empty hand. In addition some of the footwork is similar.

When I first started training in Jiu-Jitsu my instructor also had Arnis class. I wasn't going to take them but based on his encouragement that they would help my empty hand skills I took the classes anyway. I'm glad I listened because he was right.
 
I use mix of FMA and combatives, mostly WWII, but also some tricks from more modern ones. Transitions are smooth, no reason for them not to be.
 
To be honest with you I use movement....it is all just movement but it is up to you to make it flow. I have found after all these years that labelling what I do pure FMA or Harimau is just semantics...what truly matters is the simplicity of movement with direct intentions to answer the question of violence thrown at me in crunch time. For example; how many of you here have had people ask "what would you do if I did this" not only is it annoying but for me it is unanswerable....I simply say " I don't know what I will do, but rest assured if you throw it will be answered" I don't break it down and say "Oh my fma angle stepping with hubud or I am going to do a leg sweep into a kimura". I do not know what I will do until that exact time as to when it happens!

I teach a system called BaHad ZuBu..Master Yuli Romos situational destruction methods....is it FMA? Yes...Is it Silat?...Yes....but we make sure our students understand that it is just movement and within movement you will always find similarities and likeness.

The intent is where the truth lies!

Simplicity is the lock and intent the key...how do you wish to open the door?
 
Puting Carabao said:
To be honest with you I use movement....it is all just movement but it is up to you to make it flow. I have found after all these years that labelling what I do pure FMA or Harimau is just semantics...what truly matters is the simplicity of movement with direct intentions to answer the question of violence thrown at me in crunch time. For example; how many of you here have had people ask "what would you do if I did this" not only is it annoying but for me it is unanswerable....I simply say " I don't know what I will do, but rest assured if you throw it will be answered" I don't break it down and say "Oh my fma angle stepping with hubud or I am going to do a leg sweep into a kimura". I do not know what I will do until that exact time as to when it happens!

I teach a system called BaHad ZuBu..Master Yuli Romos situational destruction methods....is it FMA? Yes...Is it Silat?...Yes....but we make sure our students understand that it is just movement and within movement you will always find similarities and likeness.

The intent is where the truth lies!

Simplicity is the lock and intent the key...how do you wish to open the door?
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Amen Guro Blackgrave!

For me, FMA is more of a mindset than an art. It is a mindset that stems from the very violent environment within the Philippines. It is a mindset dealing with the blade that emphsizes efficiency, simplicity, and directness. This mindset translates to all my movements. If I'm facing a Boxer in a fight, I don't treat his fists as mere fists...I view them as hands holding a knife and trying to stab me. When I'm facing a Brazilian Jujitsu grappler, I don't view him as someone trying to grab me and submit me...I view him as a person with a knife in his hand who is trying to grab me and stab me. If I'm facing a Muay Thai fighter, I don't view him as someone trying to kick, elbow, and knee me...I view all his anatomical weapons as bladed weapons.

This blade-oriented mindset forces me to, as Guro Blackgrave described, flow my movements. As Bruce Lee said, "A punch is a punch, and a kick is a kick." When I deliver an elbow strike, it's structurally the same elbow strike found in Kali, Muay Thai, MMA...but since it's coming from a FMA mindset and delivery system, I view the elbow strike as a slashing motion with a knife in reverse-grip against a person with a blade in their hand.

Keeping my mindset focused on the blade forces me to utilize attributes of footwork, spatial relationship, and timing at a much higher level than just going empty hand. And, in the case I am facing a bladed weapon, I will not have to change structures.

Good stuff Guro Blackgrave!

~Mike (from Bayani Warrior Studies)
 
Muay Thai, CSW (combat submission wrestling) and Ninjutsu.

But since the other arts are teached more often than Kali, FMA is more my backup.
 
Puting Carabao said:
To be honest with you I use movement....it is all just movement but you make it flow.

...what truly matters is the simplicity of movement with direct intentions to answer the question of violence thrown at me in crunch time.

I teach a system called BaHad ZuBu..Master Yuli Romos situational destruction methods....QUOTE]

Kamusta, Guro Blackgrave?

Thanks for your insight. ( pardon my collegiate editing of your post ) lol.

I've always liked the nomenclature of Master Yuli Romo. Specifically " situational destruction ( s ) . "

Guro, to be direct. I haven't reached that part of my MA training wherein all styles and systems flow into " one. " Which is essentially what you're saying. I've heard it though and read it. I find that within FMA Systems and their cousins are Artists and Practicioners, etc who say they've reached that epiphany themselves.

I haven't gotten there, yet. I still see and feel marked differences between say BJJ, Muay Thai, Wing Chun, P.T. Kali, Boxing, etc.

But, I applaud those who have reached the realization that it is about the Man flowing naturally through the stream of knowledge he has acquired over his lifetime.


ADF
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what i like about PTK is the focus on basic motions with multiple applications for stick/knife/empty hand. once the muscle memory is there it gets easier to transfer from one to the other without mentally regrouping. in my training group we typically spend a session on one 'method', addressing weapons and unarmed applications for the same set of motions.

if i had to have a fall back, i'd say it was Judo. i competed in highschool and college. one teacher was old school Japanese and taught us how win and/or hurt people (arm bars to limb destructions, neck throws with quick reversals, sambo-type 'dropping them on their head').
 
Hello, Metis and Everyone.

Thanks for all of your Responses. I appreciate everyone taking some time to do that.

Metis: I believe Judo has more breadth when it comes to Takedowns versus BJJ but once it does go to the ground. BJJ's not bad. Sweeps from the Guard or otherwise are pretty good. But it's amazing how a Person can shape his knowledge to express himself.

Thanks for sharing your PTK insight as well, Brother. Have you ever had an opportunity to train with either Sayoc or Atienza?


ADF
Would you consider PTK a close range system, per se? just curious.
 
i'll give it to BJJ for groundwork. Judo is, at the end of the day, a sport. i was just lucky enough to have a trainer that focused on the dirty side. while the majority of judokas went for big point throws, my team's focus was on standing submissions and chokeouts.

no Sayoc or Atienza for me yet. the Atienzas aren't too far away from me and i keep an eye on their seminar schedule. while i know the Sayoc's have a solid foundation, it seems they're catering to the market (not that there's anything wrong with that) and getting away from practical application. the whole, Batman Belt Full of Knives thing really throws me off. but, would i pass up a chance to train w/ say Ray Dionaldo, heck no.
 
When all else fails, I will revert in swift haste back to the original FMA mother art known deftly as "sayonachi"!

Matador-
 
Clever post, Matador. Happy Holidays, and I would gather that Stockton offers some variety in FMA Systems and Styles-yea?

Metis: I concur, wholeheartedly. In addition to Rey Dionaldo, there are many folk in the Sayoc Group that I would train with to get their insights.

ADF
 
cybrok - you mentioned combat submission wrestling. Had a chance to take a 2 day seminar from Eric Paulson here in Illinois at Northshore Martial Arts. It was a great seminar and I learned a lot.

To answer the question: My backup FMA would be thai boxing or submission grappling. I don't want to go down to the ground if I don't have to, but I feel comfortable there.
 
I would'nt say I have a "back up" MA per say. Besides Manaois Eskrima, I hold dan grades in Tang Soo Do and Aikido. I have trained in a lot of stuff over the last 30 years and it just kind of blends togther. When I kick, its Korean style, wrist locks, Aiki style, ect.
 
My FMA, et. al., are my back-up arts.

My primary arts are situational awareness, Nike-fu, good locks, and a rather large male Airedale Terrier that fears nothing. :D
 
DRM said:
My FMA, et. al., are my back-up arts.

My primary arts are situational awareness,
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Nice one, DRM. Witty but True.

Your words just stick to my Ribs like Ciabatta without any Montelpuciano D'abruzzo to wash it down.

In My Humble Opinion, the Greatest of All Men are the ones who don't put themselves in precarious situations.


God Bless Us All and DRM for bringing it back full circle.

R
 
Artiste De FM said:
Nice one, DRM. Witty but True.

Your words just stick to my Ribs like Ciabatta without any Montelpuciano D'abruzzo to wash it down.

In My Humble Opinion, the Greatest of All Men are the ones who don't put themselves in precarious situations.


God Bless Us All and DRM for bringing it back full circle.

R
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Artiste, this is simply the single classiest response I've ever seen at BFC to any question. Maybe someone has said it better regarding another subject, but I must have missed it. I'm glad to have read it.
 
Looks like this forum isn’t so bad after all. I was reading that archery one and i thought a bunch of high school kids got together to make this site at first. Looks like I was wrong.

In response to the thread title, FMA is a good backup art, but not my first.

As someone said before me, being conscious of your surroundings and acting accordingly has probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives. However, my primary martial arts would have to be gunfu and arrowjitsu. Using knives and impact weapons comes second. If I don’t (or more likely can’t)use weapons, I have been using and have been taught combative arts such as American and British WWII combatives since I was a kid by my dad. I have also been thai boxing and boxing for several years. I am versed in submission wrestling as well as catch as catch can wrestling. Have been playing with bjj guys just over a year now as well. I can hold my own in the ring or in the street. But again, being up close and personal is a last resort. My best option is to not be there at all or deescalate a situation. If I have to be or am stuck in a situation, I still like to keep my distance and keep them in my sites with my two primary arts. Only if not being there, de-escalation, and managing to keep my range and sites on them all fail, do I resort to CQC weapons and techniques. And if the situation is not appropriate for weapons (say a friend of yours is drunk and rowdy), grappling/striking arts help greatly. But again hand to hand engagements should only be used as a last resort, and preferably to get your range and your weapon into play.
 
First of all I would like to go back and emphasize some of the points stressed by PG Blackgrave... However, for the sake opf the original question, I do Russian Systema (a lot, not even sure if that would be called "back up", maybe parallel), as well as regular weekly dose of ground work of the submission wrestling/bjj type.
 
Parker said:
Artiste, this is simply the single classiest response I've ever seen at BFC to any question. Maybe someone has said it better regarding another subject, but I must have missed it. I'm glad to have read it.
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Thanks, Mr. Parker.

I appreciate your sentiment. Believe me, there are many sophisticated people here on Blade Forums. I've haven't been here long but I rolled the dice and figured the maturity of many of the practicioners would go hand in hand with the seriousness of the FMA.

Not to mention the variety of subject matter in relation to the Blade is there. If you don't see what you're looking for. You create it.

Best to You and Yours, Sir.

ADF
 
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