Recommendation? After using a DMT benchstone (Coarse and Fine)

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I'm trying to decide a couple of things. Watched a lot of Videos. Any input is appreciated
1) After using a DMT Duo sharp from Coarse to fine should I go straight to,a green compound (Bark River) strop or would it be worth it get a Ultra Fine stone to use prior to strop? No super steels on my blades.

2) 17 degrees each side or 20 degrees? I usually cut down cardboard, cut tape or string and food prep.


Thanks very much
 
2 - 17 degrees will just travel down cardboard easier even as it dulls.
1 - for what you list, I don't see the sense in polishing most steels down. Just (bare) strop. If you really think you need to go finer, you can always do so later, but I'm guessing you'll be fine.
The toothier edge should benefit cutting cardboard and string.
 
I use the UF as my finishing stone, but I have mostly super steels... So, I agree, just a loaded strop should be enough for low carbide steels. I only ever used the white compound though.
 
1) do you know Michael Christy's YouTube channel? surely a supreme master at sharpening pocket knives. iirc no matter which stones (like DMT or else) he uses first, he always finishes on Spyderco UF before any kind of stropping treatment (like leather bass balsa beech).

check if after the stropping your edge still passes the 90° tomato cut test.
 
1) do you know Michael Christy's YouTube channel? surely a supreme master at sharpening pocket knives. iirc no matter which stones (like DMT or else) he uses first, he always finishes on Spyderco UF before any kind of stropping treatment (like leather bass balsa beech).

check if after the stropping your edge still passes the 90° tomato cut test.

That's why I bought an UF! :cool:
 
1) I would agree with the others. Probably no need for an UF stone. The green compound should be fine. I use it too.

2) That is a little bit trickier. Angles are just something I've learned to "play by ear". I sharpen freehand so my angles probably aren't as consistent as they should be. I might just say, shoot for 18.5 degrees :p
 
For cardboard, tape, string and food prep, all of these tasks will benefit largely from narrower edge geometry, and a highly refined or polished edge finish isn't quite as critical.

I shoot for 25° - 30° inclusive (12.5° - 15° per side) to set the edge. Then, the finish produced by the Fine (600) DMT will work very well for all, with minimal stropping. OR, for very light refinement beyond the DMT Fine, a medium or fine ceramic used very, very lightly to apply a barely perceptible microbevel (30° - 40° inclusive) also works very well, again with minimal stropping following that (I usually do so with a few passes on the sueded side of a bare leather belt).

Another option for food prep use is to set a very acute edge, such as around 25° inclusive or so, then use a hard-backed denim strop with a heavy application of white rouge (aluminum oxide) compound to convex & polish the shoulders of the edge grind. Keep the blade angle LOW to the strop, so all of the contact is behind the edge, working only the shoulders of the edge bevels. A thin, shallow & polished convex done this way works great for food prep use. This also works well for cardboard, with the polished convex making cutting very, very slick in cardboard. In general terms, the simplest overall solution for cardboard is a thin blade with fairly acute edge geometry - this is what makes box cutters work as well as they do. A thicker blade used for cardboard will benefit greatly from the polished convex, however. Example below, an older 2-dot Buck 112 in 440C - these older Buck blade grinds were pretty thick behind the edge. So, I narrowed the edge geometry and finished with the convexing & polishing as described above. This is the knife that really opened my eyes, in terms of learning how well that polished convex handles cardboard.

1IdbSHR.jpg
 
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For cardboard, tape, string and food prep, all of these tasks will benefit largely from narrower edge geometry, and a highly refined or polished edge finish isn't quite as critical.

I shoot for 25° - 30° inclusive (12.5° - 15° per side) to set the edge. Then, the finish produced by the Fine (600) DMT will work very well for all, with minimal stropping. OR, for very light refinement beyond the DMT Fine, a medium or fine ceramic used very, very lightly to apply a barely perceptible microbevel (30° - 40° inclusive) also works very well, again with minimal stropping following that (I usually do so with a few passes on the sueded side of a bare leather belt).

Another option for food prep use is to set a very acute edge, such as around 25° inclusive or so, then use a hard-backed denim strop with a heavy application of white rouge (aluminum oxide) compound to convex & polish the shoulders of the edge grind. Keep the blade angle LOW to the strop, so all of the contact is behind the edge, working only the shoulders of the edge bevels. A thin, shallow & polished convex done this way works great for food prep use. This also works well for cardboard, with the polished convex making cutting very, very slick in cardboard. In general terms, the simplest overall solution for cardboard is a thin blade with fairly acute edge geometry - this is what makes box cutters work as well as they do. A thicker blade used for cardboard will benefit greatly from the polished convex, however. Example below, an older 2-dot Buck 112 in 440C - these older Buck blade grinds were pretty thick behind the edge. So, I narrowed the edge geometry and finished with the convexing & polishing as described above. This is the knife that really opened my eyes, in terms of learning how well that polished convex handles cardboard.

1IdbSHR.jpg

Everything I touch ends up a microconvex. Thats a truly beautiful bevel in the photo.
 
I don't bother stropping high carbide steels -- it doesn't seem to make much difference, and I find the edge crisper without stropping. A few licks on a smooth steel works better IMHO.
 
I don't bother stropping high carbide steels -- it doesn't seem to make much difference, and I find the edge crisper without stropping. A few licks on a smooth steel works better IMHO.

No matter what type of stropping compound and micron size you use?
 
I am a fan of Spyderco’s ultra Fine stones and use them before I go to the black compound strop followed by the green compound, both are Bark River compounds. I typically sharpen S30v and S35v blasé steels. I also do not have any of the super steels either.
 
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