AG Russell scout Q?

wazu013

wazu013

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I have these two AGR scouts. Only one with the blade etch. Do any of you remember the reason for this? I'm inclined to think AGR made a select number with a 154CM master blade with the etch and a larger number with 420 and no etch. I had a box of old catalogs that got lost when I moved down to Florida. Maybe one of you Guys has a 2001-2004 catalog to check out.
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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supratentorial said:
Here is a link to the internet archive of the webpage in 2004. The page was up from 2003 to 2007. At the top, you can click on the instances from different years.

https://web.archive.org/web/2004020...g_knives/a_g_russell_premium_scout_knife.html

And here is the earliest link from 2002 (website was upgraded in 2003)

https://web.archive.org/web/20020603102130/http://www.agrussell.com:80/agrussell/rus-1996.html
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Thanks for this :thumbsup:
It doesn't look like they have the stag scout ad archived. I've sent AGR an email about it. A customer service clerk replied and really didn't know what I was asking. I wish I could get through to AG himself.
 
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This one is etched and has stag covers. According to A.G. Russell's description, the steel is 154cm.
http://www.cuttingedge.com/knife/klc09115_premium_scout_knife (this is an A.G. Russell site and Iirc he is a dealer member)

The steel on the knife with bone covers is also described by A.G. Russell as 154cm
http://www.cuttingedge.com/knife/klc08649_premium_scout_knife

Both of those knives have blade etches. I don't have an example without an etch. Does the steel on your knife not perform like 154cm?
 
Here's one that swaybacksteve swaybacksteve wrote this about it:
"Got a grail from the mail. AG Russell premium scout. This one without the etch on the blade. I emailed CS at AG Russell about whether the mom etched were Premium 154 CM or not. The answer was that all there inventory was for The premium scouts. Fits Camillus habit of using what they had and the non etch being later runs. The stag on this is real nice and I like that the shield is well fit into the stag."
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I've seen other examples like this one that sold on ebay a while back. It seems like these come up for sale more than the etched models do. You would think at the very least AGR would be aware of how and why.
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One of my AGR scouts has no etch. At the time I bought it, I recall doing some research and finding that the no etch version was not 154cm. This was awhile ago and I don't remember the source, so that info may not be correct. Hopefully AG will confirm.
 
wazu013 said:
Here's one that swaybacksteve swaybacksteve wrote this about it:
"Got a grail from the mail. AG Russell premium scout. This one without the etch on the blade. I emailed CS at AG Russell about whether the mom etched were Premium 154 CM or not. The answer was that all there inventory was for The premium scouts. Fits Camillus habit of using what they had and the non etch being later runs. The stag on this is real nice and I like that the shield is well fit into the stag."
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Thanks wazu, saves me from going thru my emails. Camillus made and Camillus generally had knives with and without etches on basically the same model. I believe the non etched are 154CM, its behaves like one when I did sharpen my user, although very light user, on a Sharpmaker...in other words not easy, and took some time. 420 is a breeze to sharpen. Anyway the Etched ones are to me more premium in having the Etch, but that's about it.
 
I did send AGR a link to this thread asking them to come in with some facts (specs). It seems strange to me that He'd let Camillus sell knives with his tang stamp without a little deal between them. I know they re-issued Remington Bullet patterns but they always used their own tang stamp along with some little changes. AGR has been a member here for a long time but hasn't posted since last April. It would be nice to hear from him again.
 
I'm not entirely certain, but I don't recall any of these Camillus-manufactured AG Russell scout knives being sold that weren't 154CM.
 
Buzzbait said:
I'm not entirely certain, but I don't recall any of these Camillus-manufactured AG Russell scout knives being sold that weren't 154CM.
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That's my impression too. I've never heard of any question or doubt on the subject of the steel for the main blade (154CM). I have several of the etched models of these, in micarta, bone and stag, BTW, and have been on A.G. Russell's mailing list for 20+ years (since early/mid-1990s). I don't recall ever seeing any mention of them, in the catalogs, about using anything but 154CM for the main spear blade.

I've long assumed, and may have even seen or read somewhere, that the other tools/implements in the Premium Scout were definitely something other than 154CM. There'd be no justification for using a premium steel like 154CM for the awl, can opener, screwdriver, etc. So I'd assume with near certainty, those implements were likely done in a simpler stainless, maybe even 420 or 440A, something like that. Wonder if that might be feeding into some misconceptions about the use of 420HC for the main blade as well(?). Pure speculation on my part, but it does make me wonder.


David
 
Mike,

I can only assume that parts were sold in the final auction when Camillus was sold our\t. I would think that the blades are original but not etched. I do not think ssome one got our stamp and counterfited the knife. It is fake and whoever it was had no right to sell knives with our mark on them.

A. G.

wazu013 said:
I have these two AGR scouts. Only one with the blade etch. Do any of you remember the reason for this? I'm inclined to think AGR made a select number with a 154CM master blade with the etch and a larger number with 420 and no etch. I had a box of old catalogs that got lost when I moved down to Florida. Maybe one of you Guys has a 2001-2004 catalog to check out.
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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A. G. Russell said:
Mike,

I can only assume that parts were sold in the final auction when Camillus was sold our\t. I would think that the blades are original but not etched. I do not think ssome one got our stamp and counterfited the knife. It is fake and whoever it was had no right to sell knives with our mark on them.

A. G.
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Thanks A.G. That makes total sense.
 
A. G. Russell said:
Mike,

I can only assume that parts were sold in the final auction when Camillus was sold our\t. I would think that the blades are original but not etched. I do not think ssome one got our stamp and counterfited the knife. It is fake and whoever it was had no right to sell knives with our mark on them.

A. G.
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Thank you A.G.
That's exactly what I was looking for :thumbsup:
Mike
 
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