AG vs. CS; Swing Guard comparison

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The Swing Guard knife from Canal Street Cutlery arrived today, so I thought it might be helpful to other BladeForums readers if I did a quick comparison review between the Canal Street product and a similar German-made knife sold by AG Russell.

Quick Stats
AG Russell:
440C, 56-58rc
Amboynia burl wood w/ nickel silver bolsters and brass liners
$90 retail (from AG Russell)

Canal Street Cutlery
"420 Stainless", 52-54rc
Amber bone w/ nickel silver bolsters and brass liners
$65 retail (from Knifeworks)

No preference between the handle materials and aesthetics. Both knives are incredibly beautiful. The CS gets a nod for the tasteful round "CS" escutcheon and A.G. gets a nod for the clean lines and flush pins. Oddly, the blade tang stamp on the Canal Street knife is completely covered by the swing guard. The CS nickel silver is bright silver and highly polished, while the AG Russell model's nickel silver has a slightly matt finish and a slight gold tint.

The "fit and finish" is where the two knives are easily distinguished. Neither knife has any blade play whatsoever. The AG Russell knife is incredbily smooth, like velvety air, when opening and locking. The CS on the other hand, has a gritty and coarse action; most of the "grittiness" is caused by the swing guard sliding across the blade's bolster. Wiping down the moving parts with a kleenex and Q-tip has improved the CS somewhat. When opening the CS the lock is sometimes hesitant to engage, particularly when using a delicate touch; the AG Russell lock snaps into place every single time.

One obvious inferiority in the Canal Street knife is a large uneven gap where the rear bolster meets the backspring. The gap is present between the spring and rear bolster, and one one side between the backspring and liner. This is worth an image, so I'll try to scan the two knives side-by-side later for comparison.

When closed, the swing guard of the AG Russell knife rests mostly-snug against the handle top with only a bit (<1mm) of play. The Canal Street guard is rattly-loose with nearly 3mm of movement.

The AG Russell knife came packaged in a one-piece box with a bit of wax paper. The Canal Street packaging consists of a two-piece box, a warrantee brocure, and a velvet pouch.

The AG Russell knife is one of the best-fitting and smoothest knives I have ever operated. The Canal Street knife is OK, but is not at the quality level that I expected: "Nine master cutlers with 300 years of combined experience" (from the Canal Street website).

I wouldn't hesitate to buy another AG Russell Swing Lock. I was anxious to buy the new Canal Street Ring Opening knife, but now I think I'll wait to read some buyers comments first. Maybe A.G. can get his German manufacturing contractor to make a Ring Opener?

I would have liked to compare these two swing guards to a Case Cheetah...

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
Appreciate the review, Bob. On my first Canal Street, the one I did the spring comparison scans off, it had the liner/backspring gapping and the gritty action you experienced. Like you, I was expecting a lot more than I got.

Looking forward to the scans.
 
Great write up Bob. Thank you!
 
FWIW I have one of the CSC Swinguards, and a few Case Cheetah's, I agree with all the negatives of the CSC knife, but prefer the way the CSC Swinguard feels in the hand. just looking at both knives from a short distance, the CSC knife seems to be in a different class than the Case.

Rusty1
 
The special knife dealer Canal Street runs,tend to have the better fit and finish,assembly etc..I noticed when I purchased a special run of real stag swinguards,they were very well done,better than my Schatt's,nicest swings I have seen.A regular run swing I bought,was noticebly lower in the fit and finish quality.
 
FWIW I have one of the CSC Swinguards, and a few Case Cheetah's, I agree with all the negatives of the CSC knife, but prefer the way the CSC Swinguard feels in the hand. just looking at both knives from a short distance, the CSC knife seems to be in a different class than the Case.
I wouldn't necessarily say that the Canal Street and AG Russell knives are in different classes, but the German-made knife is definitely a star pupil. If you like Swing Guards (as it appears you do), I can't recommend the AG Russell knife strongly enough.

The special knife dealer Canal Street runs,tend to have the better fit and finish,assembly etc..I noticed when I purchased a special run of real stag swinguards,they were very well done,better than my Schatt's,nicest swings I have seen.A regular run swing I bought,was noticebly lower in the fit and finish quality.
That's interesting. Hopefully the Ring Opener will get the 'special' treatment, since it's production is limited to 400 knives.

-Bob
 
The S&M swing guard is ATS34 and in the same general price range. I don't really like the pattern, but I looked at 3 at a gun show and they were all so sweet I almost bought one. The fit and finish was excellent and for a change they had a sharp edge. The bone handles were excellent.

Per the CSC Ring Opener, if it's in A2, AGR is selling one that is new in their recent catalog. I believe it's got a 1 1/2 inch blade and a nail file. Same knife as the forum?
 
just a bit of 0.2c, The forum knife is in stag, as the A.G. is in jigged bone. plus the forum knife is a little less in greenbacks.

Rusty1
 
The S&M swing guard is ATS34 and in the same general price range. I don't really like the pattern, but I looked at 3 at a gun show and they were all so sweet I almost bought one. The fit and finish was excellent and for a change they had a sharp edge. The bone handles were excellent.

Per the CSC Ring Opener, if it's in A2, AGR is selling one that is new in their recent catalog. I believe it's got a 1 1/2 inch blade and a nail file. Same knife as the forum?


I had many different schatt's,and the ATS-34 series definately were some of the best finishing I've seen from them.A quality stainless steel,too bad they aren't in production anymore.
 
After an incredibly long wait, here are the comparison scans. The Canal Street knife is shown on top in both images.

Notice the gap difference between the guard and bolster:
SwingGuardcomparison1.jpg


300% enlarged:
SwingGuardcomparison2.jpg


I've been in a "transition," getting the software and scanner installed on the new computer.

-Bob
 
That is a nice looking swingguard. The Russell. The old addage applies.... You get what you pay for.
 
but i actually like the canal street better even given the flaws, dunno its got more character i suppose, could be the bone and the shield, dont get me wrong i wouldnt turn down the AG if you all were gonna send it to me:D:cool:
but the overall look of the CS does it for me...
although the AG has the long pull:thumbup: gotta love that (wish case offered more long pulls on all their offerings)
ivan
 
This review was written a couple of years ago; thanks to the new guy for bumping it. ;)

In the meantime I've purchased a second swing guard from AG Russell, one with bog oak handles. The fit isn't quite as perfect as the first, but it's still very, very nice. As an oddity, it came with an AG Russell tang stamp and a Boker Tree Brand shield. Another slight difference, the bolsters are highly polished, like the Canal Street Knife.

I also had the chance to pick up a Case-Ruger Swing Guard that was on super-duper closeout sale. Although the same length, the handles are much thinner than on the AG Russell or the Canal Street models. A design difference than the others, the lockback lever is in the center of the knife and the spring is more stiff than the others, making the Case harder to release. On the plus side for some buyers, the Case has a stronger snap. The fit-and-finish is on par with the AG Russell knives: no gaps, no grit, no blade play, and the guard has no movement at all when the knife is closed. No too big on the purple-black handles, but the red Ruger shield is attractive.

cheetah-1.jpg


but i actually like the canal street better even given the flaws, dunno its got more character i suppose, could be the bone and the shield, dont get me wrong i wouldnt turn down the AG if you all were gonna send it to me
but the overall look of the CS does it for me...
Some of our fellow forum members have expressed a dislike of the Canal Street shields - but count me as a huge fan. Here is one of their fixed blade drop points with the same shield and handle materials as the Swing Guard - a perfect combination of materials and design.

CanalStreetDropPoint.jpg
 
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