Age and EDC ramblings.

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I think all of us have a certain pattern we identify with, or for some reason we love more than any other pocket knife pattern. One who shall not be named has a mild to moderate obsession with harness jack's, while another has a very extencive collection of scouts. But what really goes in our pockets day in-day out?

I think it changes as we get older. In a nostalgic mood of late, I was thinking of the old timers I knew growing up. Men who spent a lifetime wresting a living from the outdoors, either on the water or the land. Harvesting the waters or tilling the land. Watermen, farmer, and even a store keeper.

Matt Rankin was one of the most competent ourdoorsmen I ever knew. Not to mention one of the deadliest shots I ever saw. His main hunting knife was the ubiqitous Little Finn sheath knife, in his case made by Ka-bar. But it was his "huntin knife" and he did not use it for general utility. In his pocket was a common two blade jack of the serpintine pattern about 3 3/8 to 3 1/2. The serpintine jack and the barlow were some of the most popular pocket knives I recall seeing among the watermen.

I did not see Matt Rankin for many years when I was away in the army. I'd visit the old homestead on the Choptank when on leave now and then, but our paths didn't cross. Not till I was in my 30's with a young family of my own did I see him again. By then he was an old man with snow white hair, and we sat and talked for a couple hours on a bench under a shade tree, in the little cemetary where Lizzy had been laid to rest a few years before. While we talked, Matt picked up a little fallen branch and fiddled with it, then slowly without thought took out a small pocket knife from his faded jeans. As we talked, Matt would slowly peel the bark off the stick, like a person doodling while in a phone conversation. He went on to shave off thin paper thin slivers of wood, so thin they were translucent. Very sharp.

Since we were talking about all sorts of things, I asked him about his small pen knife. He said since he was too old to go running from game wardens anymore, it was all he needed.

"Ya jist cain't get away with nuthin these day's" he told me in a confidential tone, " the last time old Bill fired a shot in the marsh, they had so many game wardens after him, it took him a whole day and part of the night to loose 'em!"

In his later years Matt Rankin carried a small Schrade minute man pen knife.

I think about my dad living his life with just a little Case peanut, but when I really think about it, he always managed to have some other tools spaced around. Maybe those old timers were "the right tool for the right job" kind of guys. Dad used his peanut, but I noticed when we went fishing he had this really old worn down butcher or boning knife in a leather sheath he had made for it. It was his "dirty deed" knife. The blade was shaped kind of like a boning knife, so maybe it was, but it was so old the wood handle was worn to kind of an oval shape, like a bar of soap gets when its about half done. The blade was so dark, it was black, but with a bright ribbon of shiney steel along the edge. Dad got alot of milage out of that old knife. He kept it in the emergency kit in the trunk, along with his homemade bush wacker. At least thats what he called it.

Just after WW2 there was alot of Army/Navy stores with real genuine surplus suff in them. Dad had bought this English machete and took it to this guy he knew with a machine shop. Using a high speed abrasive saw with a constant flow of coolant on the blade, dad had his friend cut off the blade at 10 inches. Then he shaped it to a sheepsfoot shape of blade. Back home dad modified a surplus canvas machete sheath for it and put a cord wrap over the handle using cotton jute twine and epoxy. It made for a nice little bush wacker. Capable of doing hatchet chores, but more versitile.

Maybe thats how the old guys got away with carrying a small pen knife, they had something else "around".

I know as I have got to the point where there is more snow on the roof than I care to admit, my edc has gotten smaller. Maybe part lazyness, part age, I just don't like to lug around alot of weight in my pockets these days. Thats a little funny in light of I used to carry Randall 14 as my "off the pavement" knife. Now it's a light weight Swedish Mora knife on the belt and a sak in the pocket. My Wenger SI actually seems a bit oversize to me these days, and I'm having new apretation for the Victorinox cadet or cadet 2 as an edc pocket knife. And while 15 to 20 years ago I loved the sodbuster, I now apretiate the small compact size of the peanut instead. At my age and this point in my retirement I don't need a work knife. If it slices a piece of chedder off the main hunk in the fridg to go with the crackers, thats enough work for me.
 
Maybe thats how the old guys got away with carrying a small pen knife, they had something else "around".

I think you nailed it right there.
Just take a look at the cell phones most kids are toting around, they do a little of everything (take photos, play music, take notes...) but nothing quite right, and when you need to make a call, the battery is dead.

Its the same thing with multitools, though I like 'em, they just cant do the job as good as the regular tool.

I know I could carry one of my leathermans, but I carry a set of cee tee's, a double end screwdriver and my knife instead.

Thanks for this great thread, Id inspired me, and made me think.

peter
 
I'm not anywhere near retired, but carry a vic sak cadet every day. :) It is just a handy tool, and I like the offerings on it: they work for me. Anything bigger would catch glimpses at the office, etc. I would like a bit fancier scale though.
 
Hi,

Your post took me back to another time. Back when I was a kid growing up on the farm. The knives that my Grandfather, Uncles, and Father used were of different patterns. But they all had one thing in common. They were all advertising knives. They would say DeKalb, Pioneer, Kent Feeds, or some other business name. The makers were Case or Imperial usually. And when I was old enough, (7 or 8 yrs old I think), I had one too.

They were used and abused daily by all of us. They were sometimes broken, and often sharpened to death. But another new one was in the desk drawer. I wish I had them today.

Thank you for bring me back to those memories.

dalee
 
Great post Jackknife.
Even though I am not retired (yet) I find myself going to the smaller knives more and more. Baby butterbean, small gunstock, and a pen knife are looking more and more attractive now.
I had a Case 4347 when I was in high school, I loaned it to my Dad one day, for what I can't remember, and when it came back the blade was broken. Dad was like a lot of the other old guys around, a knife was used for everything, including prying if need be and nothing else was handy.
I remember most of his knives had at least one broken blade and like dalee said, sharpened to death.
I never did get another 4347, but I did find a as new never sharpened 3347 at the last gun show. Oh well maybe someday.
Thanks for taking me back too Jackknife, it has been a good trip.
 
I think you nailed it right there.
Just take a look at the cell phones most kids are toting around, they do a little of everything (take photos, play music, take notes...) but nothing quite right, and when you need to make a call, the battery is dead.

Its the same thing with multitools, though I like 'em, they just cant do the job as good as the regular tool.

I know I could carry one of my leathermans, but I carry a set of cee tee's, a double end screwdriver and my knife instead.

Thanks for this great thread, Id inspired me, and made me think.

peter



Now that my multitool has broken, I have pondered that very issue. Are multitools really worth it, since they really DON'T do the job a dedicated tool would do as well. I was about to give up on multitools, when I found my Leatherman Sideclip, a very simple, minimalistic multitool. Other then the pliers/wirecutters, all it has is a knife, some screw drivers, and a can opener. No file, awl, saw, etc. No, they don't do the job that a dedicated tool would do, but then again some say a folder doesn't do the job a fixed blade does. No, multitools are not perfect, but they are just so darn handy, I can't find a reason NOT to have one around. For normal, everyday chores, they are more then adequate, me thinks. For anything else....... well, a little ingenuity goes a long way.
 
Maybe those old timers were "the right tool for the right job" kind of guys.

Interesting comment. I thought just that same thing last week. I was buying pair of pruning snips for opening weekend of turkey season. Being a SAK lover, a gardening version of a multi-tool caught my eye. It was a pair of snips with various other blades in the handle. I really wanted it and did buy it, but in the back of my mind I kept questioning the quality of it. I had kind of a jack of all trades and master of none type feeling about it. Well, I was chasing a gobbler and sat down to snip a few branches and guess what....they broke first day in the field!! I took them back today and bought a plain old pair of snips, no bells and whistles, just snips.

It is a tough thing to pull off a true multi-tool that's high in quality. Thats why SAKs are so intriguing to me. Inexpensive, not cheap and top notch fit and finish everytime.

I've had my share of multi-use items like TV/VCR combos, emergency radio/lights, and on and on and none of them ever seem to last very long.

Oh yeah, that gobbler got away:grumpy: Must have been the crappy multi-tool snips fault:D:D!
 
I was buying pair of pruning snips for opening weekend of turkey season. Being a SAK lover, a gardening version of a multi-tool caught my eye. ...

Funny, I remember once how I was surfing the web looking for the best deal I could get on a multi-tool to keep in the glove box of my car. Then it occurred to me -- a good SAK (which I had, of course) + a good pair of pliers = a multi tool!

Hmmm, $60 for a new multi-tool to sit in the glove box, or $8 for a pair of pliers?
 
flyfishrman get a Florian ratchet pruner...about the best out there.

Kinda hard to beat an Alox Cadet for an inexpensive EDC.
 
Again,thanks for the post JK! Wish I were retired already....so much I want to do. A couple of tools you are used to and skilled with can make up for a whole box of gadgets.

Fly, you are so right about the versatility of a SAK. You can manage so much with an Alox Farmer or Pioneer and cheap to buy but NEVER cheap feeling.
 
You nailed it. I find myself more and more content to carry smaller knives. 3.5 closed or smaller. As long as it fits in the watch pocket of my jeans. I know what I'll be cutting most days, and small knives will handle it. And like you said, I've always got a bigger knife "around." I still prefer a multi bladed knife because of the intricacy, not the utility.

But I also find myself switching more to straight knives or larger folders when I'm camping or hiking. In fact, I'm anxiously waiting for the day when I get my first really big camp knife. As much for the fun as the utility.
 
Hi Jackknife,

Nice update on Matt Rankin and sadly, Lizzy too. Great ramblings about all things sharp as well. I must say you really do put into words the lifestyles of the not so rich and certainly infamous, and since I can identify with this so clearly it always makes me smile. I have put down my favorite pattern, the Trapper pattern, as of late in favor of what I was brought up on and started out on, which is the humble old three blade small-medium Stockman pattern. I have several of these old and new. But the older ones are the ones I have been pocketing these days. Specifically, a late 1970's Frank Buster Fight'n Rooster serpentine Stockman. At 3 3/8 inches with stag and carbon steel she is quite a fine cutting tool. The versatility of the spey blade and the sheeps foot along with a little larger stout clip blade are all I have needed in recent weeks. I have literally used it for nearly everything. From whittling chopsticks out of some old Black Olive tree branch twigs for a sushi lunch with my daughter at a sort of spur of the moment take out picnic, to peeling and slicing apple's for my son for his after school snacks to motivate him to finish his ever present homework. In fact, I just used it not an hour ago earlier this morning for cutting off the last pieces of ham from the big ham bone from last Wednesday night's dinner to make ham & split pea soup today for lunch.. I am roasting the ham bone in the oven as I write this and the aroma is already getting me drooling!.

I even broke into a friends house earlier this week(with his permission of coarse) with the clip blade by taking the very sharp point and sticking it into the soft cheap brass colored metal of the door knob bolt in between the jam, and moving it over just enough to unlatch it while at the same time pulling the door open. Y'all know the trick.. Anyway, I had to let his daughter into the house for a report for school she had forgot before her bus left as she had forgotten her house key as well. I could not have done that little crime with my Trapper as the blade is just to thick to move back and fourth in the tight squeeze of my neighbor's door jam.

Yup, I still love getting back to basics and living simply, so I recon I'll just keep my little Stockman in my pocket for now. Thanks again Jackknife for sharing your story and in doing so you have got me doing a little EDC ramblings of my own.
 
I've been quite content just carrying a Case medium stockman everyday for the last week. Except when I added the large OT stock knife one day. I started realizing this yesterday when I received a new knife in the mail, just tossed it to the side, put the med. stockman in my pocket and took off content. I used to not leave the house without two knives on my person. Then I remembered this thread. I always have "the right tools for the right jobs" spaced around the house, in the trunk and glove box. I am not at all old yet, 27, but people have always told me that I act older than I am.
 
Jackknife,
Great topic and I appreciate and agree with your take.

sunnyd,
Same for you, another fella raised right and passing forward to you and yours.

Folks got civilized, like anything else, there are more dimensions to things than many often see.

Back in the day, folks were self reliant, they were tool users. They didn't meddle and didn't like being meddled with.
Folks from plain old fisherman, farmers, ranchers, housewives, teachers, police , deputy sheriff, plant worker, nurse...

Each one knew about skill sets, about being a Free Thinker and figuring out how to approach something and how to handle it.

Knives were an important tool to assist folks in skill sets.

You see it was the folks themselves not so much the physical things.
Form follows function, so many skill sets, found certain patterns worked best for their skill sets.

Oh don't get me wrong, physical things are important, like a good Stockman, that marked ears on livestock, cut rope, tested fruit in orange groves...
Butcher knife, did kitchen duty, used for Hog Killing time, and garden work.
Cast Iron cookware was prized, like baking biscuits, pies and potatoes...

We got civilized, and complacent.
GroupThink come to be.
Gurus needed Groupies - Groupies needed a Guru.

Folks did not have to be self reliant, meddlin' folks said they did not have to be, and meddlin' folks had a better way.

Folks can only really pass on what they have done, and have experiences with.
So since folks were so civilized, and complacent, and had GroupThink, and meddlin' folks, as the only thing they had really done and experienced, they passed this onto to kids and others in lives.

Cast Iron is sooo old fashioned, and wrapping a potato in tin foil is sooo slow, just punch in 911 on a cell phone and ask them how long to nuke a 'tater in a microwave.

I was less than 4 steps away when that cell phone call was made in the hall of a College building to 911 on how to, and how long to nuke a potato...


I ain't ever attended a GroupThink meeting, but I sure have ticked off some Gurus and Groupies...
I ain't civilized some say, I hope not, it would ruin my reputation.
 
Hey, it just gives my hair more character.

"Ya jist cain't get away with nuthin these day's"
*Sigh*

Ain't it the truth.

Never too late to learn. Again.

I think I've finally found a decent whittler. Now all I need is a decent hunk of wood.

Gotta get back in practice. My granddaughters are coming to stay for a while. I'll be damned if I let a chance like this slip by.

 
Arf my friend,

Now you "could" be all 'civilized" and go get store bought wooden sticks or <gasp> metal ones to cook hot dawgs on a fire for them grandcritters.

I suggest you don't. You ain't one of them kind of folks.

Look out back, see that thing you racked leaves out from under.
About so tall and has bird nests up in it, and the squirrels run around underneath it and on it.

Tree, yeah, they call them things "trees", they made of wood...

On the ground there is sticks, or "hunks of wood", get one about 8" long and whittle a mustard spreader.

Now longer sticks are on the ground or that tree will have some and just do a few cuts and get them off the tree.

How Dawg Forks, and Mustard Spreader.

Grandcritters will learn something, like old ways and proper tool use.

*smile*
 
Now longer sticks are on the ground or that tree will have some and just do a few cuts and get them off the tree.

How Dawg Forks, and Mustard Spreader.

Grandcritters will learn something, like old ways and proper tool use.

*smile*


That's one of the first basic knife chores a kid should be tought. Anyone can jam a stick into a hot dog, but the proper fork adds much to the experiance, let alone the ability to roast the hot dog in the best culinary way.

A green branch is needed, strong enough to support a dog without bending. A forked branch should be selected for having a fork that when the "tines" are trimed down to the inch to inch and a half length, they should stick into the hot dog about 1/3 of the way in from each end of the hot dog. This allows for even cooking when turning the dog over. The tines should be sharpend well to avoid any tearing of the dog so as to retain the meat juices while over the fire.

Hot dog roasting sticks are an art form that needs to be practiced on a very regular basis with your kids and grandkids.:D
 
Hot dog roasting sticks are an art form that needs to be practiced on a very regular basis with your kids and grandkids.:D

Darn right! And how to light a match w/o burning fingers, and use it to start that properly laid fire to roast them weeners over.
 
Arf and I know each other...
We tend to razz a wee bit...

Arf knows about all these things we share about, just recently some interests have been re-kindled. [Okay, more like a danged bonfire].

I am to blame of course, which is not a bad thing, actually one of the few things I am good for.

Blame Steve...

Of late, Arf sure has been doing a lot of that.

*wink*
 
Jackknife,that reference to the model 14 was a pleasant suprise,my dad gave me one of these as a gift in 1987 when I got out of jump school in the Army.I did carry it some on my LBE including on a mission that was filmed when Admiral Crowe came to FT Cambell with Mike Wallace for a segment of 60 Minutes,(I am on the show for about two seconds running through the woods with a SAW)but since SOP was to always have the M9 bayonet on, a SAK climber was the knife that was always with me in the bush,note,don't ever buy a cheap pouch at Ranger Joes as it eventually fell apart and that Sak was lost somewhere in the Sinai peninsula.My favorite style of knife is a stockman with a spey as the third blade,but since I wear short britches all year long,and most of them are lightweight nylon,with thin pocket material that tends to bevelope holes in the pocket about the perfect size to let a knife fall out of,I have been carrying a Case peanut,the yellow with the rustable blades,for about a year now in my pocket.Sure it is a tiny knife,but just yesterday I used it to cut a cedar limb about finger thickness off a tree,and trim all the little side twigs off,and shave the bark off to use to knock spider webs outta the way and poke around in the leaves and mone little bable maples and mayapples as I looked around for morels to pick now and ginseng to dig up after the berries fall off this fall.I guess a bigger knife would have been a better choice to do all this,and I could have just picked up a stick on the ground but the little knife got it done,and who wants to poke around in the woods with an ugly stick.It also got used yesterday to open a toy that my niece bought for her son that was packaged in that infernal hard plastic that has been known to drive the parents trying to open it,and the kids wanting the toy out, stark raving mad!I still dearly love all my knives but there is something to be said about a knife so small and light that it is hardly noticed in the pocket.
 
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