Air Rifle for Survival Food Procurement?

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I've been seriously considering purchasing an .177 or .22 air rifle for the procurement of small game (squirrel, rabbit, quail, etc).

There are so many choices and I have no clue where to start. I had a Sheridan Blue Streak as a kid and it worked well...but before I return to that particular model I thought perhaps some of you could steer me in a better direction. I read all the reviews on Cabelas web site and am now more confused than ever.

I'm looking for something that is ultra reliable, good track record for performance, rugged for hearty survival useage, accurate enough for hunting, and spring or air driven - no gas. I would prefer the rifle would be under $300 but I'm not letting cost be my sole decision maker.

~Q
 
Gotcha...thanks! What brand/type of pellets do you recommend for hunting small game?
 
Remember they have brass barrels and wont last very long. A decent rws brake barrel would be much better imo. As far as caliber .177 is fine it shoots flater and ammo is cheaper Predator polymags are very good. But crosman premires are good and rws pellets are also good rounded pointed or hollow pointed pellets work good for hunting.the key is shot placmentbut more seed dosnt hurt and many guns are advertised as 1000 fps that a bunch of bs usualy there about 800 to low 900. You will find more info at Adventuresinairguns.com The guy who runs the site is randy mitchel and when you get there look in the right hand corner and there will be the word forum and click it and you will be in a airgun hunting forum with a very good wealth of knowledge.
 
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too bad youre not interested in gas. My .25caliber Airforce talon can shoot out past 100 yds and has enough killing power to take down coyotes " correct placement shot of course". but many of the airguns nowadays will suit the needs you are looking for. If cabelas was able to confuse you with their small line up you should checkout http://www.pyramydair.com/ that site will keep my mind boggled for hours. Glad i could help:D
 
The Benjamin Sheridan will do a great job for you. I own one myself and you will be able to shoot thousands and thousands of rounds through it with very good accuracy. They are others that are also good however the blue streak is a reliable accurate rifle that will last you for years. Have fun.
 
have you considered a bow, with paractice you can make one yourself, and you can shoot all sorts with different arrows, birds upwards...and you can also make arrows with pracrtice as well.
If you go for an airgun though then you might consider getting a smelter and mould to make tour own pellets, remember roofs are often nailed with lead covered nails, so in the EOTW type scenario you can make your own pellets...
 
What's the minimum FPS you folks would want for squirrel with .177?

You can kill a squirrel with 400 but 700 -800 those guns are advertised as 1000 fps. And try for head shots only because even though you cand kill one with a body shot a head shot is usually a clean miss or a clean kill. And the best shot is a neck or spine because if you shoot the spine the wont twitch.
 
You can't go wrong with a .22 Benji., You are probably going to want to stay away from PCP guns (pre-charged pneumatic) Although they are VERY powerful, the cost is quite a bit more than you want to spend.

You might want to look at Crosman. They are coming out with a short stroke "Nitro Piston" This month.

It is a break barrel, but instead of a steel spring, it uses a gas ram.

Quieter than a spring gun.

VERY powerful

The spring doesn't wear out or break like a conventional metal spring.

Comes with a scope.

You can get it in .177 or .22 (For critters, I prefer a .22)

Pyramidair. $325

Before you buy you should check out the "Yellow" airgun forum AKA Kitchings airgun forum on network 54.

Great bunch of guys and gals over there.

As far as killing a squirrel and muzzle velocity, I have killed dozens with a .177 Daisy 747 target pistol pushing about 375 fps but head shots only and only 10 yards. To be effective/ethical, you really should be pushing a decent weight pellet at 650 fps or better. That should take you out to 25 yards or so. More distance should require more power to be effective. A .22 shooting at 900 fps can shoot a LONG ways and kill critters. The yellow forum is full of "graphic" evidence and they don't mind telling you how far away the shot was because most of them range their quarry with a laser rangefinder.
 
You can kill a squirrel with 400 but 700 -800 those guns are advertised as 1000 fps. And try for head shots only because even though you cand kill one with a body shot a head shot is usually a clean miss or a clean kill. And the best shot is a neck or spine because if you shoot the spine the wont twitch.

Thanks, I am in the market for a new one, but now here in Illinois anything over 700fps is a "firearm" subject to a 24 hour waiting period and the whole shebang! This is one seriously messed up state!

I wish I had kept my RWS 1200fps one from years ago, that thing even took a few rabbits.
 
After reading a good thread on this here a few months ago I bought a Crosman 1377 pistol. It's a single shot and is highly accurate. I still need to get a shoulder stock for it. It's a great starter for about $50 on sale that you can do a lot to.

So far I've only killed rats with it, but it's worked like a charm. Need to find the right pellets for it still.
 
They are VERY uniform and highly accurate in most (but NOT all) high power guns that shoot at velocities under 800fps or so.
 
Thanks, I am in the market for a new one, but now here in Illinois anything over 700fps is a "firearm" subject to a 24 hour waiting period and the whole shebang! This is one seriously messed up state!

I wish I had kept my RWS 1200fps one from years ago, that thing even took a few rabbits.

You can get a cheep tech force made in china sub 700 that will kill squirrels effectivley. And i actualy like a slower gun for shooting squirrels on fedder because sometimes the dont here the shot and you can kill multiple squirels in a short period of time.

Check some out on compasseco.com
 
Survival, huh? I hunt with my Benjamin, for fun and to make hunting more challenging, not because using an air rifle is more effective than any other weapon.

For some "eat small game or starve" situation, when you aren't playing around, you want a bolt action .22 rimfire with excellent: handling, scope and trigger. If you have good fire discipline, definately go with a semi-auto over the boltaction. Or a 12 gauge shotgun without too much choke. And a hell of a lot of practice.

On Benjamins:

The Benjamin claims mid 700fps for velocity. I don't have a chronograph and so must take them at their word. What I do know is that while it has plenty of power to kill with (a whopping 15 fpe), the modest velocity mandates a rainbow trajectory. This means that you will either need a laser range finder and complete trajectory table taped to the butplate, or a first rate range guessing eyeball. I've got a mediocre range guessing eyeball:foot:

Secondly, if you have to frantically pump 8 times for each hunting shot, your rate of fire will be very low. This places a premium on the quality of your ammo. Do not hunt with junk pellets from WalMart. Go and spend $12/can of 500 for premium German pellets. You won't get that many shots at game, and cheap inaccurate pellets will squander the few you do get.

Thirdly, having to put 8 pumps into your weapon for each shot will get old, fast. 10 practice shots will involve 80 pumps. Righties will have gigantic, but sore, right arms. Benjamins don't scope well (for me). Maybe I need a "scout scope" type deal?

Fourth, with the Benjamin in hunting trim, I considered 0 to 10 yards short range. The equivalent of shooting your .30 cal rifle out to 150 yards. No pellet drop, to speak of.
20 yards seemed like medium range. Like shooting a .30 cal rifle from 200 yards to maybe 300 yards. The power was still there, but the trajectory was beginning to make range estimation important for fine accuracy.
30 yards seemed like long range. You needed to make a very good guess of range, and small errors in range estimation meant a miss. If there was time to determine the holdover, good hits could be made.
Past 30 yards, and hunting? Forget it with the Benjamin. Winging animals with random chance hits is poor hunting and bad survival practice. Missed animals are frequently educated animals, which are then much harder to kill in the future. When you absolutely must have meat, don't pull the trigger unless you are about 85% sure you will hit. Dead animals can't tell their buddies to avoid you. Heck yeah I think they communicate with each other, somehow.

Want to hunt a smart opponent which will humble and educate you? Sharpen up your marksmanship and then get permission to hunt crows on some farmer's land.

Fortunately, a lot of small game you want to hunt is coke-can sized. So save up some cans and then shoot at them at unknown ranges and practice hitting them. That will be a fun afternoon. Any way, get to it and do it. Worst thing that can happen is you decide you need a .22 LR
 
Thank you! Very informative. I already own a .22LR and train with it. I have a specific mission profile or need for an air rifle. So you advice is greatly appreciated. Please elaborate more on the german pellets...what brand specifically, bullet type and where can I purchase then?

Survival, huh? I hunt with my Benjamin, for fun and to make hunting more challenging, not because using an air rifle is more effective than any other weapon.

For some "eat small game or starve" situation, when you aren't playing around, you want a bolt action .22 rimfire with excellent: handling, scope and trigger. If you have good fire discipline, definately go with a semi-auto over the boltaction. Or a 12 gauge shotgun without too much choke. And a hell of a lot of practice.

On Benjamins:

The Benjamin claims mid 700fps for velocity. I don't have a chronograph and so must take them at their word. What I do know is that while it has plenty of power to kill with (a whopping 15 fpe), the modest velocity mandates a rainbow trajectory. This means that you will either need a laser range finder and complete trajectory table taped to the butplate, or a first rate range guessing eyeball. I've got a mediocre range guessing eyeball:foot:

Secondly, if you have to frantically pump 8 times for each hunting shot, your rate of fire will be very low. This places a premium on the quality of your ammo. Do not hunt with junk pellets from WalMart. Go and spend $12/can of 500 for premium German pellets. You won't get that many shots at game, and cheap inaccurate pellets will squander the few you do get.

Thirdly, having to put 8 pumps into your weapon for each shot will get old, fast. 10 practice shots will involve 80 pumps. Righties will have gigantic, but sore, right arms. Benjamins don't scope well (for me). Maybe I need a "scout scope" type deal?

Fourth, with the Benjamin in hunting trim, I considered 0 to 10 yards short range. The equivalent of shooting your .30 cal rifle out to 150 yards. No pellet drop, to speak of.
20 yards seemed like medium range. Like shooting a .30 cal rifle from 200 yards to maybe 300 yards. The power was still there, but the trajectory was beginning to make range estimation important for fine accuracy.
30 yards seemed like long range. You needed to make a very good guess of range, and small errors in range estimation meant a miss. If there was time to determine the holdover, good hits could be made.
Past 30 yards, and hunting? Forget it with the Benjamin. Winging animals with random chance hits is poor hunting and bad survival practice. Missed animals are frequently educated animals, which are then much harder to kill in the future. When you absolutely must have meat, don't pull the trigger unless you are about 85% sure you will hit. Dead animals can't tell their buddies to avoid you. Heck yeah I think they communicate with each other, somehow.

Want to hunt a smart opponent which will humble and educate you? Sharpen up your marksmanship and then get permission to hunt crows on some farmer's land.

Fortunately, a lot of small game you want to hunt is coke-can sized. So save up some cans and then shoot at them at unknown ranges and practice hitting them. That will be a fun afternoon. Any way, get to it and do it. Worst thing that can happen is you decide you need a .22 LR
 
You can get a cheep tech force made in china sub 700 that will kill squirrels effectivley. And i actualy like a slower gun for shooting squirrels on fedder because sometimes the dont here the shot and you can kill multiple squirels in a short period of time.

Check some out on compasseco.com

Will do, thanks!
 
I'm looking at the label and it says RWS, Dynamit Nobel. The particular pellets are domed. The can says "Superdome". My particular Benjamin doesn't feed wadcutters well, I'm starting to think there is a brass burr sticking up that round nosed pellets ride over easily, but wadcutters hang up on. The pellet weight is slmost 15 grains. This is a good weight for medium powered air rifles. 20 grain Beeman Kodiak's shoot way low and inaccurately.

I thought that the Benjamin/Sheridan brand round nosed pellets displayed mediocre accuracy. Walk into a big gunstore and pay their crazy(?!) prices for one good can of quality pellets.

Also, keep that cleaning rod out of your rifle's soft brass barrel. Only clean it carefully when accuracy deteriorates.

Good Luck with this.
 
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I get my jollies shooting corks off the fence line, but to each their own! Keep downsizing the size of your practice object targets, as it will help you get more accurate over time as it trains your focus on a smaller spot sans scope. I use a shotgun type over the barrel 'fiber optic' front sight. I think the best for me are the orange and green colors. I use the green during the early and late part of the days, the orange during the day. They come in a sanp over the barrel type configuration with the fiber optic on top. Check the package for 410 or 12/20ga, and see which fits your barrel end best behind your front sight.
 
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