Airsoft? BB? Pellet?

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Hi

I'll start by telling you what I'm looking for since I don't know anything about guns in general.

Some friends and I want to make a movie involving gun fights. It will be a spy comedy Johnny English style.

I'm getting good with Adobe After Effects and Premiere Pro, so adding sounds, muzzle flash and flying empty cartridges is not a problem. My problem is the slide (blowback?).

So are there any guns that "look" real (even if they are made of plastic) that have a moving slide when you shoot, but that can have that blowback without actually shooting anything.

Cheaper is better.
Thanks

EDIT: I checked a lot the website IMFDB so I at least know what I want the guns to look like. I was thinking about:
- Something in the lines of a Glock or Sig Sauer, maybe a P99 for the agent (something you could imagine in the hands of Jack Bauer)
- A Beretta 92FS or Inox for the vilain
- A PPK for the "Bond Girl"
 
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No, there's nothing like that available. It's not easy to get a real gun to function with blanks either -- people will tell you "just plug the barrel" ... try it sometime. It can be done, with some guns anyway, but it's not that simple.

Usually they just work around it. When was the last time you saw a slide working in a movie? They show a muzzle flash, camera cut to the other guy falling down (or running or whatever), cut back to the shooter and you see another muzzle flash, you hear lots of rapid fire and you watch the bullet holes walking along a wall -- but did you ever see the slide work? Most people never notice that they didn't; they're so used to camera cuts that they think they saw all kinds of things that they never saw....
 
How about CO2 guns?

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EDIT: Nevermind, they seem to be like real guns: The slide stay back if there's nothing more to shoot.
 
I was going to say, the CO2-powered airsoft guns function pretty much like real ones.

Unfortunately, they are quite expensive...
 
Take a look at gas blowback airsoft guns. Just about ALL of them have a moving slide. I had quite a few myself. In general, the most popular guns (i.e., many different companies make versions of them) are the beretta 92s, 1911a1s, sigs, and glocks. You can get almost anything in these lines, even a fully automatic beretta 93r with shoulder stock. A Walther P99 is no problem, but there is no ppk, just a ppks (longer stock, same length barrell) which does not blowback. None of these have any muzzle flash or ejecting shells, but having the slide blowback is quite standard in airsoft guns.
 
you can also find electric blow back models for 20 to 5 bucks
they are slower and eat batteries but should work
 
Most of the electric at those prices are either junky or the frame is transparent. A good gas blowback pistol runs in the range of $100-150 and up. Automatic electric pistols are even more, and do not blow back, either. If you really want to spend money, a good airsoft shop will install a metal frame as an aftermarket part. At this point you can't tell the toy from the real thing, and it will blowback as well. By this time you're in the range of $250-300 and up. (Don't know if I can recommend a store) Somebody once tried to sell me a 1911a1, all custom--a work of art--for over $500, at a discount!

By the way, the 1911a1 is the classic Colt .45 automatic American soldiers carried in WWII.
 
Cougar, I'm gonna have to disagree with you, buddy. As noted by the posters, there are plenty of things like that available. Also, I don't know what movies you're watching, but the ones I am watching have reciprocating slides. Yes, if they are using blanks, they have to modify them to get them to work. Notice, however, that sometimes on movie covers you'll see an actor holding a prop pistol for a glamor shot and it might be filed on top of the breech so that the breech doesn't lock up against forces as well.

Don't get me wrong: some movies have dedicated prop guns that DO NOT have working slides, but to say that is the case across the board is not my experience.

Anyway, I have a KWA G19 gas blowback airsoft pistol. It has a reciprocating slide and locks back on the last round like a real Glock. All controls work the same way as my real Glock 19.

Hit Youtube and search and you will see that good airsoft guns look and operate just like their "real steel" counterparts.

These aren't mine: I just found them in a quick search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUNs0Zau4DE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6MUTiLwa_U
 
One of the big gun magazines had a very thorough article on Hollywood firearms some years ago. Most all the big production companies use weapons maintained and built by one outfit, which maintains an enormous arsenal of all kinds of prop weapons.

Getting semi-auto and automatic weapons to fire reliably and look good is quite a chore; but they do a much better job nowadays.
I remember lots of WWII-era footage of machine guns spitting out silly little flames that looked for all the world like a propane lighter....
 
I will sell you a working Gas blow back airsoft gun for $80. It is brand new. It's a KKJW Glock 23 and has an orange tip. You would also need to buy gas off the internet. As for the slide fuctioning on every shot, you would just need to hold down the slide release. It is everything you are looking for! Let me know!!
 
I will probably try to borrow or rent these.

As mentionned before, I don't want anything to actually get shot, and no powder at all. Muzzle flash will be made with a software.
 
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