Aitor Oso Negro

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Elevation

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Hello! Since it's my first post here, I thought i should introduce myself shortly. I'm from The Netherlands, the southern part of it to be more precise. I use knives for my "archery accidents", in (3d)outdoor shoots i sometimes hit trees, and I need something to get the arrow out of the tree. As you may have guessed, that's where the knife comes into action. ;)

So I'm in the market for a fixed blade knife, that isn't too huge, has a sawback, and it musn't look too... aggressive. You see, in The Netherlands and other parts of Europe, people aren't too happy about knives. There are also very strict rules about them in this small country. :) So I'd prefer a knife that looks more like a tool than like a combat knife. I guess that the Oso Negro is right on the line between "toolish" and "combattish". I also should add that I'm on a budget (<100 Euro preferably), and that anything exotic will be very hard to buy in this country with hyper-active customs.

So here's the deal:

I found one on a Dutch version of Ebay, but I think it's fake. You see, I found this guide on the internet, and they talk about serial number A-164382 and what a coincidence, the knife that's up for sale has this very serial number. It also has a strange star-shaped engraving that I don't see on other Oso Negro's. I asked the seller, and it does have a proper hardness check, but not the tailcap the guide talks about.

Some pics:

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The obvious image-editting in the right bottom corner is done by me btw. ;)


My question: is it fake? Any expert willing to share his wisdom ? :D
 
I'm not enough of an expert to begin to say if it's fake, but I would point out that if you want a knife that does not look like a combat knife, that's about the worst model to carry. It is definitely a combat/utility knife, designed for their armed forces.

I would go for something with a simpler blade profile and sheath. There are a lot of possibilities, including European companies that should be easy for you to access. Take a look at the Fallknivens, which are very thick and strong and come with Kydex or leather sheaths. You probably don't need so large a knife, either.
 
BIKERMIKE said:
Are you that is a serial number and not some sort of model number?
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I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking you guys. ;) If it's a true serial is obviously a fake, but if it's somekind of model number it's problably not. :)

I was by the way looking for this knife, since it has a rare feature (for a knife): a properly working sawback. ;) And by combattish I mean, with "notches" to let blood drip out etc. But I shall certainly looking into Fallknivens, thanks for the tip. :D
 
Elevation said:
I was by the way looking for this knife, since it has a rare feature (for a knife): a properly working sawback. ;)
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There you go. You can clean fish, retrieve arrowheads, and build a log cabin. ;)

DD
 
Not sure about in Europe but here in Canada archers who hunt tend to use small saws etc to clear sight lines. The SOG Revolver is a fairly obscure knife but it has a bit of a following
up here because it cuts down on the gear you have to carry. It might be worth a look.
One nice thing is the sawblade is hidden so it does not make the knife look "scary"

You could not pick a better knife to scare the citizenry than that one!

If I remember correctly Denmark does not allow locking blade folders or one hand opening?

Maybe a SAK with a saw might be your best choice or the Kissing Crane German army knife. It is cheap has a blade ,saw and caplifter and corkscrew(sounds like the french army) that would work for pulling arrows.
 
Elevation said:
I was by the way looking for this knife, since it has a rare feature (for a knife): a properly working sawback. ;) And by combattish I mean, with "notches" to let blood drip out etc.
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Just an aside, but have you considered a SAK like the Farmer or Pioneer model and a regular big knife? The saws on the Swiss models are great. The Aitor has a good properly set sawback, but I can see the shape of the handle on the Oso model being bothersome to the hand if a decent amount is required.

Edit: We seem to be thinking the same thing:).
 
If I understand your needs correctly, you may want to look into the Sog Team Leader Survivor. It does not look military in any way and has a great sawback. The only reason I don't have one is because I don't want the sawback.

http://sogknives.com/store/TL-02.html
 
I'd buy a Bahco Laplander saw (or a Silky, if available). That would open up a large range of suitable knives that don't look military.

DancesWithKnives
 
I have this model (btw, is a very good knife), mine has no serial number and that flower under the guard.

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DWK2 said:
I'd buy a Bahco Laplander saw (or a Silky, if available). That would open up a large range of suitable knives that don't look military.

DancesWithKnives
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Pair that saw with a Frost Mora or a Fallkniven F1 and your laughing. I'm one of these guys that would rather carry two tools that do each job very well than 1 tool that can struggle through both.
 
Welcome to the forums.

Sawbacks aren't particularly useful on knives. The knife doesn't have enough flex and is usually too thick for the saw to actually cut. Go with the recommendations that others have made get a devoted little folding saw or a swiss army knife model like the trailmaster or farmer (SAK = swiss army knife).

Esav's recommendation of a fallkniven, either F1 or S1 is a great recommendation. They are designed to be tough survivor knives, very robust yet do not look like a military blade. A rat cutlery (RC-4), not to be confused with Rat Ontario, is a good option and is noted in particular for the strength of its point. Bark River Bravo1 would suit your needs extremely well also. From the three above, I'd be glad to carry any one of them (I do carry the RC-4).

Good luck on your choice!
 
Even being from Spain and AITOR being a Spanish maker, I am not going to recomend that knife at all. Tactical looking (black blade, recurved, sawback, etc), thick edge, thick grind (won't help at all if you mean to thin the edge). It is not a slicer due to that crappy edge. It is not a chopper due to the lack of weight (I have handled one of those in a local store).

Seriously, if you don't want to scare people away and feel like Fallknivens are too expensive, have a look at the wide selection of knives that the Spanish brand MUELA has to offer. They sell way cheaper than 80% of the blades you can see in this forum, you will get decent steel, superb leather works on the sheaths and fancy handles if you want to go with stag.

Mikel
 
Why not use an arrow puller? What kind of tips are you using for shooting 3D? I have never stuck a field point in a tree-yes I have hit a lot of them and spent a lot of time looking for lost arrows.
 
If you really need a sawback then get a Randall survival knife - if you can find one.
Otherwise why not get a silky saw that folds, and a normal knife?
 
I had the plain version of that knife ( not black coated) with the older style saw teeth. A bit light for it's size and the saw although I have seen worse weren't anything to write home about. Better to get yourself a small folding saw I have the Gerber exchanging blade type, excellent.
I don't know how that can be seen as anything but Military. I still have a couple Aitors a Heavy chopper brillent, a boot knife and small skeletal skinner.
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I to will endorse Fallkniven as great cuters, batoners and skinners ( but have a good look at the S1 I think it is a much more capable knife than the F1)
Bottom line with ebay buyer beware and I think just about anything new should be given a very sure second look to be sure it isn't a Chinese knock off.
A member of an Australian forum brought what he thought was a Extrema Ratio folder from a shop in his state capital got it home and on closer inspection decided it was a fake. The bast@#ds are everywhere. and of course I brought a PSK off ebay that never arrived. So if you think I'm a bit jaded about it your right.
Carl
 
welcome to the forum hang here and there knowledge will grow on you... the colective here is something to be reconed with when i started i cared 56 lbs of stuff i didnt need with out water or food. i have listened and read now with food shelter and water being the big weight i only carry 23 lbs. dont be closed minded and respect the oppions. most everyone here is great and from all walks of life. thats why humans have come this far learn from one another shareing ideas and thoughts.
okay back to the subject for getting arrows out of trees i would buy something called a gorrila grip. i shot 3d for yrs useing uncam bow and carbon fiber arrows there wasn't a tree that could hold the arrow from that thing the draw back was sometimes it would leave the insert in the tree but they are easy to replace.
buy the way sence yur new i can't spell sorry
 
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