Allright Rev, let's try it here.

[T. Koch]

I am still very interested to hear some answers from you. In my opinion the topic is of a principal interest to the whole of Bladeforums. We need to know if we are to view your lack of respect for the rules and display of "etiquette" as a defining example of the kind of behavior we as members are to expect from our moderators and admins.

Orginal topic here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/962515-BS-2012-Marfione-Customs

And here's my question for Revdevil:

*Revdevil* Wow, it just occurred to me that your title in red indicates that you're a moderator...? I missed that the first time around... Do you as a moderator feel good about making posts like these in a topic where a guy - a fellow knife enthusiast - comes on the forums to share his happiness with like-minded people? Do you feel that this is a fair treatment of a fellow member? That he deserves to have his thread run offtopic and be brought down, because he dares to like the knives of a guy, whose business practice you find questionable? Do you feel that you're setting a positive example for members with less experience here than yourself?

Inquiring minds would like to know...


Still, all the best, - Thor

 

[cziv]

Why not stop your ankle biting and go do what yappy little pooches do best. Use your imagination. In fact, the best place to take this baloney is to Whine & Cheese. See you there!

 

[unit]

I am not Rev, but I would suggest to anyone and everyone that Moderators are people too.

They are capable of mistakes and opinions. They are also capable of gaining respect, and most have done so over the years and that is part of the reason they are moderators...not just anyone can, or is willing to do the job.

I have no pony in this race, but I do have some opinions on a lot of topics. If you want mine, PM me. This forum is not the place.

As Chuck said, W&C is a better place for such matters. Just be prepared to have your questions answered honestly...and be prepared for many people to share their opinions as well...after all, it is as public as you make it, and that opens the door for anyone and everyone to involve themself.


Have a nice day!

 

[Mack]

Do you think that promoting thieves that blatantly steal other people's designs is a good thing? Do you think that informing people about those thieves is wrong?
Personally I think that anytime a stolen design is shown here it should be pointed out as such. People should be informed as to the character of the makers and manufacturers so that they can make informed decisions on where to spend their money.

If you choose to back these thieves, it shows us a lot about your character. We can now make an informed decision about you.

 

[Morrow]

Why not stop your ankle biting and go do what yappy little pooches do best. Use your imagination. In fact, the best place to take this baloney is to Whine & Cheese. See you there!

This is not correct. T. Koch has an issue with a mod's post in a discussion thread. This is the correct place and T. Koch is simply doing what he was advised to do in the referenced thread.

 

[Morrow]

I am not Rev, but I would suggest to anyone and everyone that Moderators are people too.

They are capable of mistakes and opinions. They are also capable of gaining respect, and most have done so over the years and that is part of the reason they are moderators...not just anyone can, or is willing to do the job.

I have no pony in this race, but I do have some opinions on a lot of topics. If you want mine, PM me. This forum is not the place.

As Chuck said, W&C is a better place for such matters. Just be prepared to have your questions answered honestly...and be prepared for many people to share their opinions as well...after all, it is as public as you make it, and that opens the door for anyone and everyone to involve themself.


Have a nice day!

Once again, T. Koch is doing what he was advised to do.

 

[Samael]

Personally, I think it needs to be discussed. Not what Rev said, but the underlying issue. Let's have at it, without fear of getting a chiclet for speaking our mind.

 

[338375]

I skimmed over that thread last night, after seeing some members displeasure with Revs opinions.

As Rev said, he and all other Mods are still members here, and I think that holds priority over being a Mod. Because of this, they are entitled to their opinions just like any other member.
While I think they should obviously set a good example for acceptable behavior here, they do that daily, and in my opinion his comments were not out of line.YMMV... If anything, I think he showed great restraint in his replies.

You have to understand, a lot of members here, don't like it when someone rips off another makers designs and idea. For some of us, moral integrity, is actually more important than the knives themselves. However, there will always be members who see nothing wrong with this practice, and will continue to support companies that are guilty of these practices.

 

[Morrow]

Personally, I think it needs to be discussed. Not what Rev said, but the underlying issue. Let's have at it, without fear of getting a chiclet for speaking our mind.

Even though the underlying issue has been discussed before, you're certainly free, as you know, to start a thread to discuss it. This particular thread isn't the place for it though.

 

[Morrow]

I am still very interested to hear some answers from you. In my opinion the topic is of a principal interest to the whole of Bladeforums. We need to know if we are to view your lack of respect for the rules and display of "etiquette" as a defining example of the kind of behavior we as members are to expect from our moderators and admins.

Orginal topic here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/962515-BS-2012-Marfione-Customs

And here's my question for Revdevil:

What rules do you think Revdevil broke? What etiquette issues have you upset?

 

[Samael]

Yes, that's exactly what I'd like to know also.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I'm really not sure exactly what the original poster is objecting to. RevDevil made 2 posts. Here's one, "Never before seen huh?" Here's the other, "I can, voting with my dollars like most other folks. :thumbup:"

Other posts also interfered with the original topic, in much more detail, more negatively. Is it that RevDevil is a mod that most offends you? There is a saying that the law does not deal with trifles. Perhaps a more serious breach might have gotten more attention.

Overall, I do agree that we should not feed the trolls, and an offensive product or manufacturer or whatever is generally best dealt with by ignoring it. The technically correct BF procedure is to open a FEEDBACK thread to discuss the deficiencies. But this thread was in the General Knife Discussion, not the Exchange!

Why can't we post opposing views. A moderator, even a super moderator, is first and foremost a BF member. I myself have posted the like, even to use of indelicate language. Yes, in W&C or the Cove. But criticism in General is legitimate, just keep it on topic, don't involve "office politics", don't repeat the obvious, don't get personal.

Unfortunately, the pros and the cons stopped bashing the knife and began bashing each other ... :thumbdn:

 

[Maniacal Pete]

I've got no problem with a member who is dedicating their free time to making this site a better place proffering their opinion. Rev's comments seemed well measured and sedate to me. There's a lot of hate for these "companies" that mimic original designs. Some of the detractors are going to be Mods, they themselves being more "in the know" to begin with.

 

[unit]

Once again, T. Koch is doing what he was advised to do.

That is fine if someone advised him to do this. It should also be fine that my opinion is that there seems to be a difference of opinions that the OP is asking to have hashed out.

It is my opinion that either these matters should be dealt with in total privacy (PM) or totally openly (in W&C).

Whatever. I have no pony in this race.

 

[RevDevil]

I am still very interested to hear some answers from you. In my opinion the topic is of a principal interest to the whole of Bladeforums. We need to know if we are to view your lack of respect for the rules and display of "etiquette" as a defining example of the kind of behavior we as members are to expect from our moderators and admins.

Orginal topic here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/962515-BS-2012-Marfione-Customs

And here's my question for Revdevil:

Alright, let's get to it without further adiue:

*Revdevil* Wow, it just occurred to me that your title in red indicates that you're a moderator...? I missed that the first time around...

Yes, well *SuRpRiSe!*. I'm late, I know. My human is showing I suppose.

Do you as a moderator feel good about making posts like these in a topic where a guy - a fellow knife enthusiast - comes on the forums to share his happiness with like-minded people?

Yes. I did nothing more than make a reply in regards to a statement that was inaccurately made. "Never before seen", or something to that effect. The piece in question has been seen before, in it's more original form the Zero Tolerance 0777. As a knife enthusiast for the past 25+ years, a contributing member to these forums in good standing no less, I feel that no wrong was done on my behalf by providing a counter point. I need not ask permission to state my opinion, no more than you do. Keep in mind, even the mods have opinions. It seems you have trouble with this point. I can't explain it any clearer than this.

Do you feel that this is a fair treatment of a fellow member? That he deserves to have his thread run off topic and be brought down, because he dares to like the knives of a guy, whose business practice you find questionable?

Melodramatic examples aside, the topic was not necessarily run off topic by me. I have a question for you, Do you think that in a forum where different people come together to discuss a common topic will all simply high-five one another on every topic that is posted? Business practices aside, if you want to support folks with questionable ethics, by all means go ahead. However, you should also prepare to have some folks share opinions with you regarding your choices.

Do you feel that you're setting a positive example for members with less experience here than yourself?

I take my status as the Exchange Moderator seriously. I've helped quite a few people along the way. I do feel that if you bothered to look at the blog articles I've written are for the benefit of the community. I wrote them on my own time, and based them off the rules that Spark has set forth. Since you seem to be so utterly critical of a minute detail, it's not beyond a reasonable suspicion that you may have some ulterior motive.

Inquiring minds would like to know...

Bottom line:
There was no ill will in my post, no vulgarity, no cynicism, nothing aggressive towards the person you are advocating for.

Still, all the best, - Thor

I appreciate your holding me in such high regard. I appreciate it.
Cheers!