Am I the only one dissapointed in the quality/feel of current multi tools?

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I don't know, being around Benchmades, Spydies, Microtechs, etc, multi tools companies don't really offer anything that screams top quality to me

Leatherman- bead blasted everything, pliers that bind, tools that are roughly finished. The new scissors seem a little flimsy and don't have a proper set. The bits for the bit holders could be of a nice steel.

Gerber- burrs left on every blade I've seen. Sharp corners and edges. The handles pinch on the classic Gebers (the pliers wobble too). The RemGrit blade holder retainer breaks.

Victorinox- needs to calm down with the polishing of EVERYTHING. Needs to beef up the file and saw on the Spirit (too much flex for my liking)

Am I the only one with this high level of OCD?
 
Have you tried the Leatherman Charge Ti? I have carried multis from about 6 different makers, LM included. The LM Ti is the best feel and quality IMHO. It will be stiff new but will mellow out with time. It is also fully adjustable if you want to tweak it.
 
What would be top quality? Do you own any variation of the SwissTool? That tool is 100% quality, I feel moreso than any other one tool in release at this time. Everything moves smoothly, has a high level of finish and actually snaps open and closed with an audible click. Of course, their is not a tool around that will compare to a 200$ folder in terms of materials, and finish. There just isn't a market for them and the comparison isn't really valid anyway.

Leatherman- bead blasted everything, pliers that bind, tools that are roughly finished. The new scissors seem a little flimsy and don't have a proper set. The bits for the bit holders could be of a nice steel.

Addressing your issues:

Leatherman Tools are not entirely bead blasted, everything but the interior implements are finished to a medium polish. Leatherman also offers many of their models in a black oxide finish that makes the underlying polish irrelevant.

How are your pliers binding? The early Core had problems as did the Surge but in both cases the company has responded with alterations to new tools and will fix the problem on already owned tools. Also, both instances can be easily avoided by the end user if they are aware of it. I have had no problems in the couple dozen of modern Leatherman tools I've used daily since the line re-structured in 2004. I think the oval plier head is a big improvement.

I don't think the tools are roughly finished, they are just differently than in previous years. Certainly not rough, compare the implements to much cheaper tools for a view of what rough tooling is. Rough finishes are obvious on tools like the ol' Coleman Pro-Lock and the Chinese Schrade ToughTool, not on any Leatherman I have seen.
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The new scissors have shown no indication of being unecessarily flimsy. In my use they have proven to be less prone to binding and bending out of true than the older model. What's a proper set for the scissors?

Are the bits not of S-2 steel? I think this is a good choice for the bits, I used the full-set with my Wave at work and have found them to be resistant to rounding and breakage. I do wish they had a stronger finish, a few times in and out of the holder and the finish is already beginning to wear.

Gerber- burrs left on every blade I've seen. Sharp corners and edges. The handles pinch on the classic Gebers (the pliers wobble too). The RemGrit blade holder retainer breaks.

I had a burr on one of the three Freehands I bought last year, other than that all the modern Gerbers I have collected have been fine in this regard.

Looking at the current line-up of their mid-high line tools I see little sharp edges/corners. The Freehand and Flik are a little iffy when the pliers are used really hard but their edges are still soft. The most commom Gerber tools, the MP600 and the Diesel have smooth shaped handles and no exterior edges at all.

The pinch issue was resolved with the MP600 series almost a decade ago and has been improved on even more with the Diesel, Freehand and Flik plier mechanisms. This issue is similar to the uncomfortable handles on the old Leatherman PST, it's there and will always be mentioned because the tool has made such an impact but has been long resolved by the company.

These are tools, things break. Did you contact Gerber for a replacement or repair?

Victorinox- needs to calm down with the polishing of EVERYTHING. Needs to beef up the file and saw on the Spirit (too much flex for my liking)

The polish is there for a reason. Victorinox is founded on certain levels of finish, for them to move to a medium polish would be an affront to many users. Victorinox does offer at least one model of each of thier tools in black oxide, perhaps this is a better choice for you?

I hope they do not, the thinness of the saw and the file, even they are only fractionally thinner than comparable industry implements, is the strong point of the tools. They are hardened well enough that they can flex but thin enough to cut more efficiently than implements from other companies without undue breakage. Thicker saws and files are just more difficult to use without offering any real strength gains.

If you take the time to compare the offerings you are complaining about to lower-priced models or older models from the same line you will see an across-the-board improvement in quality, strength and finish. I routinely rotate older discontinued tools with their modern day counterparts and other than a slight increase in size and weight the modern tools are leagues ahead of their older siblings.
 
I own a Swiss Tool Spirit. The finish they give to the Phillips causes a little slipping sometimes. The amount of flex in the saw and file when I used it scared me a little. Didn't bend out of shape, but I was afraid it was going to. The scissors don't open enough on them either, but it's usable.

I sold Leatherman at a store for a few months. The pliers just don't open and close with the smoothness the Swiss Tool has. You seem to have to force the last few degrees of rotation to close the pliers. Set refers to the curve towards the blades for proper shearing action. Maybe the ones I've handled were just loose and I couldn't tell, but something like the SAK scissors or the Gerber Scissors woulda been nice. The bits are ok, I guess, but the eyeglass bit I've seen snap a few times.

The Gerber issue with the Rem Grit holder was solved, but the Surge's solution is soo nice.

I guess I have to remember it's a multi tool and that's their limit
 
For Christmas I received a Swiss Tool Spirit "S", the one with the knife blade instead of the scissors. I could not be more pleased with this multi-tool. :thumbup:

Over the years I have used various cheap tools and they were alright for what they were. Then I upgraded to a Leatherman Kick. At first I really liked it, but then it started to just not feel right and that's when I decided to get the Spirit.

I got the one with the knife blade since I didn't feel like scissors would be as useful to me as a knife. The blade came sharp but no one near as sharp as say a Spyderco or Kershaw. However this was easily fixed in less than ten minutes with some sand paper and a mouse pad.

All the tools are fantastic. If your saw is flexing I do not think it is the tools fault, but in fact user error. You need very little pressure on the saw to actually use it. It's very handy when you don't feel like carrying a bigger saw and just need it for some smaller branches. I would not try and cut down a 10" diameter tree with it though :).

The only other tool that I have seen some issue with is the Phillips head driver. I have used it a few times and I personally like it. It does have a tendency to slip out if you are not constantly pushing down but to me it's not really that big of a deal and I don't even think twice about it when using the driver.

I simply love it because of the size and weight. I also got mine in the black oxide finish which just looks plain cool after it gets some use. I enjoy the look of well used tools.

Edit- My only real complaint with this tool is that when the pliers are deployed, there is a little gap in between the two heads. Not really major, it's more of a visual complaint than anything.
 
I'd love to see a multi-tool manufactured by Lie Nielsen or another fine tool manufacturer but it'd probably be so pretty and so expensive that I'd be afraid to use it! ;) I think the perfect multi-tool for me would have the locking mechanism and tool selection of the Victorinox SwissTool, the ergonomic handles of the Victorinox Spirit (but larger), the hollow ground flat drivers and Phillips driver of the Leatherman Core, the one hand opening blades and diamond file and removable pocket clip of the Leatherman Wave/Charge, and the pliers and wire cutter of the SOG PowerLock 2.0. But I don't think that multi-tool will be manufactured any time soon. All the multi-tools have their pluses and minuses. I pick what to carry based on which multi-tool I think is best suited for what I'm planning to do that day, e.g. Do I want the one-hand opening blades or the better wire cutters? I actually use quite a few older multi-tools as well as newer ones.
 
I don't know, being around Benchmades, Spydies, Microtechs, etc, multi tools companies don't really offer anything that screams top quality to me

Leatherman- bead blasted everything, pliers that bind, tools that are roughly finished. The new scissors seem a little flimsy and don't have a proper set. The bits for the bit holders could be of a nice steel.

Gerber- burrs left on every blade I've seen. Sharp corners and edges. The handles pinch on the classic Gebers (the pliers wobble too). The RemGrit blade holder retainer breaks.

Victorinox- needs to calm down with the polishing of EVERYTHING. Needs to beef up the file and saw on the Spirit (too much flex for my liking)

Am I the only one with this high level of OCD?

You are not the only one! :D
 
I'm kinda a MT guy rather than a knife nut, so I'm somewhat biased... But personally I'm very happy with the quality of something like a LM Charge considering all it's complexity- including four liner locks, pliars, two push locks, other tools (including bits), two knives, saw, diamond file, and more. And that'll cost you about $90 and everything will probably be functional, and finished plenty nice, and backed by a good warenty. There are knives that cost twice that or more, with one blade and one lock, and there are still people who aren't satisfied with them. To make a full MT that would satisfy that kind of taste would have to cost a heck of a lot- a lot more than comparably fit and finished knives due to all that added complexity. And the market would be tiny.

Short opinion: No, there aren't MTs that are finished like Sebenzas, and I doubt we'll see that soon, if ever. But there are tools that are finished well anyway.

That said, if you want to see some higher end tools than have been on the market, check out LM's two new 25th anniversary models:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,3794.0.html
 
I still like the quality of my old style leatherman wave.I have the new Charge TTI and think the old Wave is better quality IMO.I like how the handle is formed out of one sheet of stainless. The handle on the TTI is just a small piece of titanium.I sent it back for warranty because the liner lock didn't engage far enough for my liking.Leatherman still rules IMO though.That Charge in silver is quite nice.
 
...That said, if you want to see some higher end tools than have been on the market, check out LM's two new 25th anniversary models:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,3794.0.html

I haven't seen the 25th anniversary models yet (Amazon says they'll be released in May). There was some discussion about them here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=515148

I'm sure that the engraving by Adrian Pallarols is beautiful.

Al Mar also manufactured some beautifully crafted multi-tools. They were based on the OSS escape knife:

http://www.multi-tool.org/almar4x4andquickclip

I've yet to see another multi-tool that matched the fit and finish of those from Al Mar. One version of the Al Mar 4x4 and an Al Mar US army knife were engraved by Valade:


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I have what I think is a New Wave for about 2 weeks now. It has the hard wire cutters. I've worked it's a*s off and it just keeps coming back for more. I got it because of the locking one hand opening blades. I work in a factory where it's not uncommon to look for a screwdriver for 20 min. so it gets used alot. I am very happy with the quality.
 
I have been a multitool guy since the early eighties , starting with an original Leatherman PST , I have tried most of them over the years . Included in the exotica were an Al Mar 4x4 ( stolen ) , and the Kershaw with the locking pliers . Generally I prefer Leatherman and Victorinox . Gerbers are a joke , as is most of the products of that once noble company . Sog has not been good to me . Of all of them Victorinox , Kershaw , and Al Mar were the best build quality . Leatherman is more than adequate quality for the intended use , most users seem pretty satisfied .

I carry a Charge Ti for work , and a Victorinox Spirit for play . A Leatherman Surge lives in the truck .

If there is one thing I would like to see , its would be a drop in overall weight . A 2/3 scale Charge would be the heat !

Face it the Multi is the general practitioner , not the specialist of the cutlery world .

Chris
 
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