An Emerson Horseman Review By a Non-Emerson-Fan:

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Warning: entirely too much typing ahead. Smart folks will just skip to the pics. :p

Ok, so, a few weeks back, I showed my ass in some Emerson thread, where I trash-talked the knives, the brand, and their (to me) questionable business practice of marketing their knives with the idea that they're made for super close quarters combat, used by Delta SWAT SEAL Spec-ops snakeeaters worldwide. I'd held Emersons before and wasn't impressed. Then, a friend of mine, John (Grownstar, because hell yeah!) sold me his Emerson Horseman, and I told him I would give this knife a fair shake.

Full disclosure: For the last few days, I've carried and used this knife in the same capacity that 99.99% of owners will: cut some boxes, opened some mail, shaved some arm-hair, took some sweet pics, and have carried it around in my pocket. Unfortunately, no opportunities in which to use it against terrorists or zombies arose, so I'm unable to speak objectively on any added "close quarters combat" options or value this knife may have given me. Your mileage may, however, vary.

So, let me just get this out of the way. This Horseman is just stupid. Its basic construction. Its silly little pirate cutlass blade shape, its minimal design, its minimal adornments, its hilariously BS grinds, and there's one other issue: I'm actually starting to like this knife.


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Looking at this knife just lying here closed, it doesn't look like much. The others I briefly handled in times past fooled me in similar fashion. But carrying this knife around, taking it out and handling it, examining the knife closely opens up all sorts of observations that have served to change my mind concerning Emerson knives. One quick remark, I don't personally mind 154cm, though I probably would, had I paid full price for this knife.

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The blade shape is clownshoes, but it's growing on me. The scales with the standoffs are a decent feature, because if I got this knife dirty, or muddy, or hell, bloody, I should be able to clean it out with little effort. Also, I do like the thumb-disk, which is good, because I'm going to go ahead and get the blasphemy out of the way: the patented "Wave" feature? Garbage. Worthless. It's worthless. I have not had a single complete Wave deployment any of the times I've tried. Garbage. Your mileage may vary, and for those of you for whom it works, you're to be commended because I sure as hell can't get it to work. So, I'll just stick with my assist-open knives and manual flippers. Those work better for me. Even worse, and here your mileage WON'T vary, is that you can't even use the Wave feature to open a bottle of beer!!! TERRIBLE.

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Shown here, a bottle of beer NOT opened using the Wave feature. :D

The handle for me is where my biggest understanding was reached. This knife is basic. It is. Rough G10 scales, stand-offs, no back-spacer, and a basic liner lock. Nothing special, especially given what these cost new. BUT. Then I really started gripping it. I'm here to tell you. This knife LOCKS into your hand. I have plenty of knives with great choils. They feel great. But this knife, it locks into your hand, thanks to that choil, and that grippy G-10, and that perfect thickness, and that is it. It's ready to Make It Happen. Like, the only way this knife is coming out of my hand if I let it go, or I'm in the middle of a dramatic death scene like in a movie where my hands open as I drop to my knees, the camera pans to a shot of my knees hitting the ground, and then this knife hitting the ground. That's how that would go. Me: "KILLING ME WON'T BRING HER BACK!!!!!" (BlaKOOOWWWWWW) and then I'm down, rifle-shot to the chest. Bad guy walks away "No....no it won't!" Maybe even flicks a cigarette at my lifeless body. Screw that guy, amirite? :mad:

Last point I want to touch on, is the blade. These grinds are terrible. Like, hilariously bad. They're almost a millimeter on one side, and juuuuuust a smidge on the other. I didn't have my macro lens with me, so I don't have any up close pics of the edge. Now. That said. This thing is shaving sharp. So, hell, maybe equal-on-both-sides, beautiful grinds don't matter. Hell if I know. This knife is just Sharp. That edge just works. Secondly, the quality of the knife itself is apparent when opening and closing the knife. Perfectly centered, and if you are looking closely at the pivot while you slowly close the knife, a sweet little metallic "snick" sound is heard as it closes fully.

So, in conclusion, if you get a good deal on a lightly used Emerson, I say get one. I take back what I said about these knives not being very good. Part of being a grown-up is being able to admit when I'm wrong, after all. Emerson knives by all observations I've been able to make seem to be quality knives. I may add another to my collection at some point, although again, it'll be used so I'm not paying what these cost new.

For the record, I STILL don't like Emerson's marketing tactics, though it obviously works for these products' target demographic.

One last shot of the Horseman, and its current riding partner:

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Thanks for reading.
 
I enjoyed the review and your take on the Emerson Horseman. I think i'm going to try one of the Kershaw Emersons that are going to be hitting the shelves at some point.
 
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That horrible uneven edge is a chisel grind. Only one side is given an edge, so when you go to sharpen it in the field you only need to sharpen one side and scarp the burr off the other. This really does make for an easier to sharpen knife.

As for the wave part, maybe give it some practice. I can wave open mine like a champ, never used it for anything defensive but its great when your one hands busy holding something that needs to be cut. Same goes for the beer bottle opening, although some Emerson's are better at the task than others. Your review is far from bias, it's like Fox News/MSNB "bias". I especially like how you didn't have any real knowledge of Emerson knives before when you were bashing them and now that you have one you complain about aspects of it that are actually positives.
 
Glad you like the Horseman! Although Emerson knives might not be the best "bang for buck," they have their attributes.
 
The CQC-8 blade shape is great.
I have the Super CQC-8, and it works well.
I may pick up one of the smaller ones, especially if I get this new job. :)
 
If you don't like the chisel edge, just sharpen more on the other side each time you sharpen the knife.
Eventually it'll end up being a regular v-shaped edge.
 
If you don't like the chisel edge, just sharpen more on the other side each time you sharpen the knife.
Eventually it'll end up being a regular v-shaped edge.

That's more or less my plan, the blade shape should be relatively easy to straighten out on my Sharpmaker. This knife doesn't actually have a true chisel edge, it just looks the grinds weren't done properly.
 
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Nothing passive aggressive here. I'm straight up saying your another guy who complains about something he hasn't researched and doesn't understand.
 
You hit on the same points that a lot of Emerson users do. The blade steel is good, not great. The finish can be rough. The price is a little high compared to the competitors. BUT the ergonomics are incredible and the blade shapes are typically very useful.

My nicest knife is the ZT0777. It's fit and finish is stellar. The M390 is truly a "super" steel. But I find myself carrying my CQC10 more than any other knife.
 
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Nothing passive aggressive here. I'm straight up saying your another guy who complains about something he hasn't researched and doesn't understand.

And I"m saying you're wrong. Furthermore, if your goal in posting here was to throw a bitch fit because my critique of a knife hurt your feelings, man, get a life. It might make things better for you. Anyway, cute pics! :thumbup:
 
Awesome review, brother. I really enjoyed reading it. Clearly you have a way with words that either pisses people off or makes them laugh their ass off.

Your pics definitely do that knife more justice than it deserves haha. Nah, seriously, you took some great shots and I didn't realize how new the knife looked.

Use and enjoy that sucker. I know I never got the chance. Oh and I waved it successfully every time I tried :D
 
I've owned 2 Super CQC7B's and one Super Karambit. One Super-7B I gave to my brother, the other two knives I sold.

The 154CM steel is ridiculously chippy, as I would often find micro-chipping all over the edge as opposed to any rolling, not something I've ever seen on my Hogue EX-01. The titanium linerlock doesn't seem to have a radius'd lockface to meet, so a frequent problem is lock overtravel, sometimes to the point where the lock almost touches the opposite liner, a bad combination with the Wave feature, which tends to slam the lock open HARD. I would have preferred either a titanium framelock, or a stainless steel liner, in order to ensure a longer life of the lock given that Wave opening is akin to flicking your knife open(a specific no-no for CRK knives). Also F&F was sloppy, typically with the blade rubbing against the liner and LOTS of bladeplay.

I found the chisel grind complicated sharpening since one side would have to be more obtuse than usual(40 degrees on one side instead of my preferred 20 degrees per side) to make sure the edge isn't too thin and frail. I'm also not sure about field sharpening, but regular sharpening isn't faster with a chisel grind, and I sincerely doubt a few more swipes on an opposite side will kill anyone, field or not. You're not going to sharpen your knife with bullets whizzing over your head, so when you CAN sharpen, seconds don't count against you.

The ergonomics, the aforementioned chisel grind aside, is something I like a lot. Wave opening is quick and easy and works for me 100% of the time whether I set it for foreword grip or reverse grip(but reverse opening will slice baggy shirts). The handle is large, wide, and beefy, but the weight of the knife is very light for its size and makes it feel very quick and limber in the hand. I'm not too big a fan of the sandpaper texture of the G10 handles, given that they tend to slow the draw of the knife quite a bit and tear up your pockets.

All that said, I've placed a pre-order for the upcoming ZT 0620CF, which I feel addresses all concerns. M390 powder steel, upgraded with more wear resistance, hardness, and toughness(only time it chipped was when I was cutting into dirt, everything else seems to roll the edge). Titanium framelock with a steel insert, allowing for a very long lifespan of the lock. Titanium side seems like it will have a beadblast finish, which I expect will let me yank the knife out real smooth without tearing my pocket lining up. Plus it's ZT, and any limited run of their knives have been executed with outstanding attention to detail. Same price range as a Super CQC-7B? YES PLEASE:thumbup:.

Long story short, I like some of the designs, but I feel some aspects could be made more practical than tactical. I think ZT could do an Emerson better than Emerson could:D.
 
I have owned a few different Emersons and only one wasn't mediocre, and that one isn't a true Emerson (Benchmade Emerson Spec War CQC7). The Mini CQC7, CQC7, and CQC8 all felts like $100 at best knives. The CQC7 was decent, nothing special. The Mini was unabridged crap, bad play in all directions, bad grinds, easily stripped screws, extremely rough action that never improved even with cleaning, and the black finish was about as tough as permanent marker. The CQC8 was okay, but very clunky and the ergos really weren't amazing.

3 chances is enough to say that Emerson knives are a lot more hype than anything else. The warranty isn't even that ggood compared to the likes of ZT, Spyderco, or Benchmade.
 
with the Wave feature, which tends to slam the lock open HARD. I would have preferred either a titanium framelock, or a stainless steel liner, in order to ensure a longer life of the lock given that Wave opening is akin to flicking your knife open

Good observation. Anyone here know if the ZT 0620 (with a steel insert) will arrive in July as mentioned somewhere?

A bit OT, I know. But I am so excited about this collab.

/Colinz
 
Good observation. Anyone here know if the ZT 0620 (with a steel insert) will arrive in July as mentioned somewhere?

A bit OT, I know. But I am so excited about this collab.

/Colinz

Unfortunately, when it comes to ZT releases, they'll be available when they are available. I wouldn't put too much faith in their release dates.
 
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