An Honest Review of Emerson

capt_cope

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Well haveing read too many posts about emersons to remember, I felt I'd try my best to adress the troubles others had expressed worries about concerning Emerson Knives, as I have now had the delight of buying a Super CQC-7.

The first and most blatently wrong thing I read (actually made me think twice about buying an Emerson) was that due to the Chisel grind they were not sharp, and could not be sharpened. I read about a man who said he literaly threw the knife in the trash and left it after attempting to sharpen it. Still others have consoled distraught Emerson owners as they ask for help sharpening, by saying "even if your knife can't shave or cut paper, it's still sharp enough to do what it needs too." Perhaps I just got the one magical Emerson that can take an edge, but I doubt it. I managed to ding up my blade pretty damn bad yesterday, but in 20 min. with a spyderco sharpmaker (literaly I watched the time) my Emerson is now sharper than out of the box. It could be the sharpest knife I own right now, and I'll be damned if it didn't take an edge easily. Now can I shave with this knife? YES. Can I cut newspaper? I can slice a piece in half while it floats. Don't buy into the scam that tells you your Emerson can't be sharp, it will be as sharp as you can make it. Haveing trouble sharpening your Emerson? Let me give you some advice: Regardless of the sharpener you use, go to wally world and pick up a cheap chisel grind knife to practice with, you should be able to find one for under $20, I allways like the CRKT KISS knife, but buy one that appeals to you. As soon as you get home, cut the hell out of some cardboard boxes untill that knife is as dull as a butter knife. Sharpen it untill you are satisfied it's damn sharp. Reapeat steps one and two untill you are comfortable sharpening chisel grinds, then take on your Emerson.

Next myth: Emerson's use of plain slotted and phillips screws is a sign of how lame his knives are.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard a statement similar to that. Perhaps it's just me, but it makes perfect sense to me to have Phillips and Slotted screws on your "hard-use" knife. Just think, do you cary a leatherman or likeminded utility tool? If you don't how many of the people you hang out with or work with do? I carry one most places, most of the people I know carry them, and you know what if need be I can take apart and clean out and foreign media in my Emerson in the field, thanks to those ugly screws. How many people do you know that regularly carry around Torx screwdrivers or a full set of allen wrenches? I don't know a single person, yet many people have been bitching that Emerson should use Torx screws in his knives. Doesn't make much sense to carry a folding knife that could be rendered useless because you got a bunch of sand/mud/dirt/****/anything potenially binding into every crevice of your knife.

Then the classic bitchfest about QC comes up.
While I certianly agree that even one product out the door that is substandard is completely unsat, I understand things from a manufactures point of view. I used to work at a small bio-med company, we made all the tools used when you are in surgery, though we specialized in screwdrivers, of the ratcheting type. Keep in mind our tools are used in literal life and death situations each and everytime. I can tell you right now that we shipped defective products, sometimes knowingly sometimes none the wiser. Might have been a little thing like a sticky ratchet one way, but it was "good enough." Emerson Knives gets alot of flack because their $300 knife is a little loose right away, but someone was getting a screwdriver that didn't work one way, and he was paying closer to two thousand for his. You know how long the waiting list was to get your defective merchandise repaired? I saw parts that were to be fixed three years back. Yet Emerson will gladly right your wrongs and have a turnaround of, at worst a month, but in most cases a week. I agree QC is a big deal, but unless you buy from Emerson Knives online, the only person you can bitch at is the ******* who sold you the knife. As soon as that dealer takes posession of that knife he should inspect it for any problems, if any arise he should deal with Emerson Knives, and get you, the buyer a perfect knife, and himselft a repeat customer.

I am done ranting for this morning, and after I get a chance to really put my CQC -7 to use I'll put up an actual review, but at the moment I haven't used it enough.

Eric
 
imho a lot of criticism about EKI comes from folks who have "jumped on the bandwagon" and dont even have an emerson, nor have they actually handled one......
 
capt_cope said:
I agree QC is a big deal, but unless you buy from Emerson Knives online, the only person you can bitch at is the ******* who sold you the knife. As soon as that dealer takes posession of that knife he should inspect it for any problems, if any arise he should deal with Emerson Knives, and get you, the buyer a perfect knife, and himselft a repeat customer.
I really disagree with that last statement. I think it's a lot to ask dealers to inspect every knife they get in. If you ask them to it, I think they should, that's good customer service, but otherwise, I just don't think it's their responsiblity.
 
Good honest review. You didn't add the typical criticism of crappy liner locks. I believe most Emerson liner lock problems come from waving abuse. No matter, Emerson will fix it.

I've purchase about 20 Emerson knives in the last two years and all of them have been excellent. Perfect lock up. Scary sharp.

For those who don't trust liner locks, Emerson has two superb frame locks, the HD-7 and the CQC-12.

I carry Emersons exclusively. I have come to learn that there are those who don't Emerson. Many because they haven't or don't have the time to learn to appreciate them. I've given up trying to argue with them. I'd rather spend the time with my knives.
 
I've had some Emersons with crummy, actually scary, liner locks but I've sent them to EKI and they come back repaired, with new screws and sharpened. :)
Turn around time on one knife was 6 days! :thumbup:
 
After carrying a new commander for sometime and comparing it to my 30+ other folders, I can say this:

1)The thing you buy the emerson for is speed(the wave).
2)It will never be as resistant to failure as a Gunting, Manix, Chinook or framelock
3)The new emersons are much improved over the old ones, although they may not look as nice(more ersistant to twisting failure)
4)Emersons will always be "loose" because they are made to be disassembled
5)I really like that you can disassemble it, also the company will replace worn out or defective parts for you free, besides tuning up your knife.
6)The emmy linerlock can be made usable and tolerable if you maintain it well, by bending it periodically to ensure it locks up well. If you are not used to doing this, yes, you will be unhappy with your knife
7)If you have to clean your folder often, being able to disassemble it is a real good thing.
8)I have no hesitation in recommending an emmy to anyone, with the caution that it will take some getting used to....it's whether one can adjust to the knife's quirks, and make it work for you.
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I like the idea of ordinary screws myself and the quality on my first two is impeccable. Yeah there are always problems to be expected on any blade depending on the user and usage, that is life.

I am still new to Emerson and plan on purchasing many more.
 
1) my fav emerson isnt even waved (CQC6), nor my 2nd fav (CQC8) nor my 4th fav (I&I tanto)
2) thats debatable imho, a HD7 or '12 is as strong as any other knife with the possible exception of extrema ratio folders. love bram frank/have never liked the gunting for edc use myself, is a strong design though, but imho i dont like knives which require a pocket sheath to carry them, or the pivot so tight ya barely can open it.
3) possible.
4)none of mine are "loose" at all, ya got me on that 1 ....
5)agreed
6)not all EKI's have liner probs, thats just not correct, and if they do have probs send it in for repair. i dont "bend" on my liners on an EKI or any other knife.
7)agreed
8)i would say that statemant is true about most anything, knives included.
 
I am not saying emmys are loose, just that you can do a lot of adjustment with them that you cannot do with a non-disassemble knife.

Like my comm had a loose stop pin, so stuff some teflon tape into the dimple and it's OK. Like the liner didn't engage firmly(after I monkeyed with it), then I learnt to get it to the state where I have no worries about disengagement.

Take out the "thin" liner, spend some time bending it, and you will soon realize that it is not as weak as it looks......it is acceptable, if it engages well in the centre or to the rightish.....not on the left.

If you don't pry or twist excessively, but pull straight with it, it won't fail. just anchor the tip, press the edge in and pull through straight.....don't stab in and twist out....I feel that's not good for emmys, or any folder.....

I have no problems with emerson, and would recommend them to anyone, after warning them about the knife's quirks.
 
I've only had one problem with an Emerson before, and it was a Custom. It developed some problems, so I sent it back. It took a LONG time to get the problem fixed, but that is understandable because Ernie is a very busy man. Anyhoo, after the wait, Ernie told me the knife was unfixable. :(. Instead, I got a BRAND NEW ONE! Yes, that's right, a brand new custom because the old one wasn't fixable. That's why I carry Emerson knives.


Oh yeah....you won't run into a long wait on a production knife at all. They are often turned around in as little as one day. The customs all have to go to Ernie, so it takes longer.


E
 
The regular screws are one of the reasons why I really like my Emersons. They're the only folders I own that can be disassembled or readjusted "in the field" without any specialized tools. Big plus in my book.
If you don't like their inherent "looseness", get some Loctite and seal the screws.

The Buffoon said:
Instead, I got a BRAND NEW ONE! Yes, that's right, a brand new custom because the old one wasn't fixable.

Well...uhm...that's what I'd expect him to do - what else is he going to do if he can't fix it? Tell you that you wasted your money? ;)
 
I don't own an Emerson yet, can't afford one right now, but I do want to get a commander once I have a better paying job. I will say that having regular screws would definately be a big plus for me. I don't like clips on knives particularly and last night decided to take one off my new Spyderco R2. They were these little teeny torx heads, and while I have two leathermans and a Swiss cybertool laying around the apartment, none of the torx heads on the swiss were small enough, and the leatherman's are all regular screw drivers. Ended up using the little eyeglass screwdriver on the swiss, which worked because it was small enough to fit into the slot in the torx like a regular flathead, but what a pain. Much rather deal with something that had normal type screwheads to begin with.

Lagarto
 
Neither my Commander nor my PSARK would pass the spine-whack test, and I don't think I should have to pay postage so a manufacturer can rectify its own QC deficiencies.

That said, the PSARK remained on the top of my desk, as its design and workmanship (EXCEPT for the defective locking mechanism) are superior to anything else I've seen, for my purposes and desired employment. The Commander is somewhere in a desk drawer . . .:rolleyes:

I had a bit of free time last week, and decided to either render the PSARK satisfactory (to me) or "fix it so it can't be fixed," removing it as a distraction (as in, "Gee, I wish my xxx had a handle/wave/blade configuration as nice as the PSARK!").

I disassembled the PSARK, clamped the blade in a vise, tightened a small, cylindrical diamond abrasive bit in my Dremel, gripped the tool tightly, and . . .

SUCCESS! I basically milled a tiny groove into the rear tang portion of the blade (the part the liner lock abuts). This groove acts as a positive, mechanical "stop" to prevent the liner lock from "bouncing" free if the blade is impacted or struck. Now, the liner may slip to the groove, but it hasn't slipped past it (and I've spine-whacked the heck out of t, too!:D ).

Now, the PSARK is no longer on the top of my desk. It's in my pocket!
The design & materials are absolutely great!
 
Emersons are some of the best knives I have carried. Everything about them is PRACTICAL. Being a U.S. Marine it is important to me that my gear be reliable and practical. The Emerson fills that billet when it comes to my folding pocket knife. The feature I like most is the common screws used in its maufacture. I can use my SOG multi tool to take it apart and clean and maintain it. I don't have to carry a bunch of extra stuff. keep up the good work Emerson.
 
Hey Ray Bair, why don't you send your modification to Emerson, maybe he will take it into consideration. I personally have not had any problems with my Emersons. Knock on wood.
 
Yes, it's great that if it gets dirty, you can disassemble it and clean it up.

Now I've worn off the hard chrome coat over my comm and it's still going strong.

The liner has not given me any problems since I adjusted it myself so that it locks in the centre of the tang. If you liner has poor lock-up(keeps slipping to the left), take it up and bend it so that it engages even more to the right. that will solve the prob almost permanently(you may need to do this every half a year or so).

Also you have jig the liner position by adding teflon tape into those dimples where the stop pin goes, to increase/decrease width between the slabs. Also you can adjust the detent spur.....to position the blade between the slabs.

Basically you can adjust everything......that's why it is good.

I think I bought my comm almost a year ago.......it has not given me any probs since the initial part of getting use to it, and has done OK in whatever I have used it for.

Just lower the price a bit and it would be a ideal buy for me.
 
Personally I think the ordinary screws idea should be copied by all other makers and manufacturers. Field cleaning of a tactical knife is very important as is few moving parts. Being able to do that with a SAK or multi tool is just a big plus and a step in the right direction for any company or maker that builds so called tactical or survival outdoor or hard use type knives.

I would like to see Emerson start securing the blade stop pins though. I have only had four Emerson knives but three of those four have had the same problem. That being the stop pin rattles on them from not being secured and I don't like it one bit. (SARK, Mini CQC7A, CQC7A ) I would not be surprised to see this from a cheap China or Taiwan made knife but it is surprising in a high dollar quality folder. I also don't like the potential for losing that pin if the pivot gets loose although I realize the chances are slim of it getting that bad before it happened. The fact is it can happen.

There are cases of pivot pin screw heads falling off and being lost with folders not just from Emerson and a screwed down secure stop pin could actually help keep the knife together in a pinch in those situations. As a knifemaker myself I feel it is just a better idea and makes for a better made folder to secure the stop pins. I do this now on all my handmade folders. I didn't always do it that way but after a few come back missing their stop pins with written complaints you tend to make it right and fix it.

Ironically the early Emerson/BenchMade CQC7 models have secured stop pins. Why the Emerson models of the same knife do not has always caused me to wonder.

Other than this one oversight that I see regarding the stop pins rattling loose in the liners when the blade is not sitting on them I find the Emerson knives to be very well made. I particularly like the Green G10 knives and find them to be very appealing both to the eye and the hand in the way they feel. EKI's Green G10 has a canvas like feel to it instead of the hardened plastic feel of the Spyderco knives of the same material. I also find that Emerson services their knives well but like all companies that are busy they can and do make a mistake now and then. The important thing to focus on is not that they made an err but how they make up for it once they are aware of it and they do that great.





STR
 
STR said:
Personally I think the ordinary screws idea should be copied by all other makers and manufacturers. Field cleaning of a tactical knife is very important as is few moving parts. Being able to do that with a SAK or multi tool is just a big plus and a step in the right direction for any company or maker that builds so called tactical or survival outdoor or hard use type knives.

I would like to see Emerson start securing the blade stop pins though. I have only had four Emerson knives but three of those four have had the same problem. That being the stop pin rattles on them from not being secured and I don't like it one bit. (SARK, Mini CQC7A, CQC7A ) I would not be surprised to see this from a cheap China or Taiwan made knife but it is surprising in a high dollar quality folder. I also don't like the potential for losing that pin if the pivot gets loose although I realize the chances are slim of it getting that bad before it happened. The fact is it can happen.

There are cases of pivot pin screw heads falling off and being lost with folders not just from Emerson and a screwed down secure stop pin could actually help keep the knife together in a pinch in those situations. As a knifemaker myself I feel it is just a better idea and makes for a better made folder to secure the stop pins. I do this now on all my handmade folders. I didn't always do it that way but after a few come back missing their stop pins with written complaints you tend to make it right and fix it.

Ironically the early Emerson/BenchMade CQC7 models have secured stop pins. Why the Emerson models of the same knife do not has always caused me to wonder.

Other than this one oversight that I see regarding the stop pins rattling loose in the liners when the blade is not sitting on them I find the Emerson knives to be very well made. I particularly like the Green G10 knives and find them to be very appealing both to the eye and the hand in the way they feel. EKI's Green G10 has a canvas like feel to it instead of the hardened plastic feel of the Spyderco knives of the same material. I also find that Emerson services their knives well but like all companies that are busy they can and do make a mistake now and then. The important thing to focus on is not that they made an err but how they make up for it once they are aware of it and they do that great.





STR

The older customs have a screwed in stop pin. Both my no-date CQC6, and my MV-1 have stop pins that screw in. I think the reason Ernie went with the non-secured pin is twofold. First....fewer parts. No screws to lose. Second, it is much thicker and stronger. That being said, I like the secured stop pins. The older ones are quite a bit thinner than the new ones. If EKI went to the thicker stop pins with fasteners, you'd have the best of both worlds. I also like the fastened stop pin because I can adjust the lockup and tightness of the knife with the pin and it does not affect the smoothness. I'm not really worried about losing the stop pin out of a newer custom or factory knife though. It could happen, I guess, but it's not too likely.

E
 
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