And so it begins

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Well I looked for a place for an intro, but my search came up empty so I figured what better place to introduce myself than in the place that I will be asking for help and insight.

My name is Brad, and I am a virgin when it comes to knife making. I have done a ton of reading and I think I am ready to jump in head first. I have a few tools in my garage, but have access to pretty much everything I need (tools and machines) to build my first knife. My inspiration comes from my grandpa that passed away 4 years ago. I recently was able to go through his shop and came across a few worn out files and asked myself what I could do with them. I remembered a friend of mine telling me about a knife that he had made from an old rasp. It was a true work of art and I knew that these files had found a new home. My plan is to build 3 knives from the files, one for me, my brother, and my dad. THe handles will be crafted from a pin oak tree that was cut down at my grandpa's lake house. The tree was always a "conversation piece" between him and my grandma on our many trips to the lake. He wanted to cut it down, she refused to let him. A few months ago the top of the tree was struck by lightning and became a hazzard to our house and the house next to us. THat was when the only man could finally look down from Heaven and laugh with his tongue sticking out right at my grandma. I felt what better way to pay tribute to such a great man, a man that served his country, God, and his family than to make a knife that will last for generations to come.

So here I am, eager to learn, eager to design, eager to build, and most of all eager to admire. My plan is to build a few knives until I can perfect the design that I have come up with and then go through with building these 3 tribute knives.

The way I see it, every knife should have some kind of story behind it. I feel it will give the knife maker that sense of accomplishment when they complete the knife because they know they have contributed to that story with their God given talents. This is my story and this is where my road to accomplishment in building knives begins.

So enough of the ramble, here is the design that I have so far. It will be a drop point skinner because the old man was an avid hunter. There were many days spent in the woods and I am sure he would have loved to have a tool like you guys make in his bag of goodies. The blade will be 3 3/4" and the OAL will be 8". By all means critique, change, and suggest. I am still learning.

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Actually a decent first concept.... here are my suggested changes but these are based on my design concepts which may or may not be right, hell probably way wrong.

Don't add that angle at the edge side of the ricasso, either increase the radius of the finger choil or make it straight with the edge.

Deepen the finger choil by just a bit, make a curve from the middle of the palm swell to meet at the top of the finger choil. Remove the sharp corner at the choil.

Knock the sharp corners off of the top and bottom of the butt of the knife.
 
First thought, though the story behind the tree is nice, if the tree just came down a few months ago the wood isn't ready to be made into a handle yet, and won't be for some time. You might be better off finding another piece of similar wood, instead of insisting it be from THAT particular (recently felled) tree. Otherwise the handle will shift as the wood dries.

Secondly, you'll be advised that using unknown steel is unwise. Though the files have a good piece of family history, they won't make the best knifes. If your intent is to make the best knifes, use a different steel. If your intent is to make mediocre knives with a strong story, press on.

- Greg
 
First thought, though the story behind the tree is nice, if the tree just came down a few months ago the wood isn't ready to be made into a handle yet, and won't be for some time. You might be better off finding another piece of similar wood, instead of insisting it be from THAT particular (recently felled) tree. Otherwise the handle will shift as the wood dries.

Secondly, you'll be advised that using unknown steel is unwise. Though the files have a good piece of family history, they won't make the best knifes. If your intent is to make the best knifes, use a different steel. If your intent is to make mediocre knives with a strong story, press on.

- Greg

I don't think it's ment to be a user, and he's not making it yet so the wood has time
 
Sounds like a good reason to make a knife, and good materials to use. However, don't make it your first three knives. Make them your 4,5, and 6 knives. Make three practice knives first to learn your mistakes on, then make your knives from the tree(which will be ready by then) and the files.

The tree should be cut to oversized pieces probably 1" x 4" x 12" and left to dry for about a year. Find someone with a lumber mill and take a couple logs to them and get it cut. Go to the hardware store and buy a strip of 1x2 red oak and use it to practice your handles. Several of my practice handles were oak. Great wood for cabinets, kinda ugly to detail work like on a handle. The open pores of the wood don't make a very clean looking handle unless you have it stabilized. Buy a 6' bar of 1080 from Aldo and make a few knives from it. In the meantime, send your files out to be annealed. While it is unknown steel, it is more than likely high carbon and will make an adequate blade. Tell us what brand the files are and someone could probably tell you what steel it is.
 
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I would actually suggest that you go to home depot or lowes and get some mild welding steel that is the same dimensions as the files that you are going to be making the knives out of. it will be cheaper than buying actual steel, and you can practice without worrying that you are going to really mess it up. just the opinion of the novice.

as far as the design goes, it is pretty nice. i think that the lanyard hole might be better placed down at the bottom, but i have no idea whether it is a big deal or not.
 
I appreciate the replies fellas. I should have given a little more insight on the grand scheme of things, but I felt like I was getting long winded on my first post on here.

Will, I appreciate the kind words. I will revamp the design per your suggestions and post up what I come up with.

Tryppyr, XanRa was correct in his statement. These 3 knives will be on the shelve to stay. I might use it on one deer or hog just to add to the story, but that is it. These won't be my first knives by any means. I will practice on a few pieces that have no sentimental value other than my first attempts at an art that so many of you guys have perfected.

Zaph1, I couldn't agree with you more on making these number 4, 5, and 6. I would even consider making them #8, 9, and 10. I will flat out refuse to cut the files up if I am not completely comfortable with my design. I will send the files out for sure to be annealed. I have also considered having them analyzed so that I can tell the heat treater exactly what he is working with. I know for a fact that one of the files is an old Craftsman file that is at the very least 25 years old. The other 2 are American made, but I will have to look at them to see what the markings are on them. I will check them out when I get home tonight and report back with my findings in the morning.

Again, I appreciate all of the replies as they have inspired me even more to really get this process started. Texas Knifemaker's Supply is about 30 minutes from my house so I have plans of letting them do the HT as well as getting any supplies that I may need.
 
Geek, I saw some steel at Lowes yesterday, but I wasn't sure if it would be ok to practice on. I will definitely go pick some up this evening.

To be quite honest, I had the thong hole at the bottom, but I moved it to the top. I think I may go ahead and move it back down to the bottom because it will definitely have a lanyard on it. For design purposes only, I would rather have the lanyard resting to my back while in the sheath as opposed to my front.
 
As far as the mild steel goes, it will be completely useless as far as holding an edge. If you can get decent steel from TKS, then i would go for that. the steel itself is not that expensive, but the shipping is absolutely disgusting. i just find that i would rather be able to practice on 3 foot of steel for 7 bucks than 4 foot of steel for 40 bucks that I might waste.
 
Since you are close to TKS, get some 1/8" X1-1/4" 1080 from them.It will make a fine knife and not too expensive.
Stan
 
I appreciate the input so far.

I took a look at the files last night and the 3 that I think I will use are a Delta, an Atkins Silver Steel, and a Simonds Nucut Mill SMO.

The Simonds and Delta are both in great shape and still cut great so I figure I might use them for my first few knives that I make mainly to add to the story to be told later on down the line. I tried the Delta out last night on a old masonry saw that my grandpa had started a knife out of. It was a rough cut when I started on it. I made a few passes just to see how well the files still cut. I believe that one of my knives will have the design of this knife with a few differences to help it flow a little nicer. I don't plan on doing anything else to this one in order to preserve the work that he did on it. I will use it as a starter template and then oil it, wrap it up, and stick it in the gun safe as a keepsake.

Here is the saw blade knife that he started on...

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Reddirt,
I would agree with most of the posts here. Try a couple first, go slow and be prepared for some mistakes. Get some good steel for the practice ones. It isnt that much more expensive than the stuff at lowes, and you may end up with a nice user out of the whole deal. I actually did something very similar. My grandfather died a few years back, and I found a couple of files in his garage. I turned one of them into a knife that I kept on a shelf for a while. I started thinking that if the knife had belonged to my grandfather, he would have used the heck out of it, so I started using it as my EDC. I had never heard of the file company before, it was one called "Moore Brothers" It holds a great edge, but you can't expect that from every file you use. I would be willing to say that most of the older files were decent steel, so you shouldn't have a problem, but be prepared that you may have nothing other than a show knife. The interesting thing about my particular knife is that my Grandfather's name was Lloyd Moore, so I left the Moore Brothers logo sticking out the tang a bit so that the company's stamp was visible. Definitely do the project, but keep one of the files until you have been making knives for about 3 or 4 years. You will someday look back at your knives and wonder what you were thinking with some of your design elements, at least I did, and then you will be glad to have one of the files left.
 
group 1.jpggroup 2.jpgto the madness. I like making small knives, but it took me two years to arrive at the design you're starting out with. I think you'll find it makes a handy little utility knife. Watch out though - little knives lead to larger ones and finally I suspect, to swords. :)
 
I advise against the mild steel route only because the blades you make should still be functional and you want the experience of heat treating as well. You can HT 1080 in a one brick forge and a propane torch. 1080 isn't that expensive from Admiral or Aldo, around $11 for 60" of 1¼" x 1/8" 1080, whereas it's $6.95 per foot from one of the knife supply shops. That's why Admiral and Aldo rock! Grab a couple pieces, shipping will be around $15. For the $40 mentioned you will have enough good steel to make a dozen knives.
 
Reddirt,
I would agree with most of the posts here. Try a couple first, go slow and be prepared for some mistakes. Get some good steel for the practice ones. It isnt that much more expensive than the stuff at lowes, and you may end up with a nice user out of the whole deal. I actually did something very similar. My grandfather died a few years back, and I found a couple of files in his garage. I turned one of them into a knife that I kept on a shelf for a while. I started thinking that if the knife had belonged to my grandfather, he would have used the heck out of it, so I started using it as my EDC. I had never heard of the file company before, it was one called "Moore Brothers" It holds a great edge, but you can't expect that from every file you use. I would be willing to say that most of the older files were decent steel, so you shouldn't have a problem, but be prepared that you may have nothing other than a show knife. The interesting thing about my particular knife is that my Grandfather's name was Lloyd Moore, so I left the Moore Brothers logo sticking out the tang a bit so that the company's stamp was visible. Definitely do the project, but keep one of the files until you have been making knives for about 3 or 4 years. You will someday look back at your knives and wonder what you were thinking with some of your design elements, at least I did, and then you will be glad to have one of the files left.

Thanks for the story. I have considered saving one, but then I may not have enough steel from 2 files for 3 knives. I will have to measure everything and see whaqt I can come up with. My plan is to get a couple of old files I have around the house that I can practice on before I even attempt to manipulate these old files.


View attachment 215382View attachment 215381to the madness. I like making small knives, but it took me two years to arrive at the design you're starting out with. I think you'll find it makes a handy little utility knife. Watch out though - little knives lead to larger ones and finally I suspect, to swords. :)


Oooooooooh SWORDS!!! :D

Thanks for the reply. I must say you do some nice work!
 
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I advise against the mild steel route only because the blades you make should still be functional and you want the experience of heat treating as well. You can HT 1080 in a one brick forge and a propane torch. 1080 isn't that expensive from Admiral or Aldo, around $11 for 60" of 1¼" x 1/8" 1080, whereas it's $6.95 per foot from one of the knife supply shops. That's why Admiral and Aldo rock! Grab a couple pieces, shipping will be around $15. For the $40 mentioned you will have enough good steel to make a dozen knives.

This transaction has been placed in the budget, sir! It's going to be like Christmas in June next month!
 
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