And then, depression set in. First shave with good equipment.

Joined
Jan 27, 2006
Messages
1,290
A couple months ago, I bought a thirteen dollar butterfly cheapy DE razor and after years of being happy with dry shaving, litterally dry shaving with plastic toss'em Razors, decided to see what the buzz was all about. (Actually, my dad passed away and left me his and my grandfathers straight razors, and I wanted to build the skills to actually use them) So I got this little razor and a package of whatever blades were behind the counter and decided for a true comparison, so I shaved my face dry. It was dry for a moment, but quickly was lubricated with blood, and was somewhat painfull. I had removed a layer of skin, and I am pretty sure this is what is meant by "weeping". Correct me if I am wrong. I went back to the comfort of my old shaving ways for a few days, and then picked up a can of Barbasol and tried shaving with the DE one more time, and it was an amazing shave. i was really impressed and used the canned stuff and did get a knick or two, but had read that was part of the learning curve. The only real problem I had with the razor is was it was very light, and fluted, no knurling.

I practiced for a month, and then decided to grow a beard for a month, then shaved that a couple days ago. Lots of shaving cream and disposable razors.

Today I took $175.00 or so, went to a brick and mortar store and picked up a travel shave kit with oils and soap, aftershave and brush and fancy old fashioned styled DE razor and got all excited and went back to the hotel and layed everything out in order, sat down at my computer and watched an instructional video and then back to the bathroom I went.

I turned on the water and washed my face, oiled my face, and started to build a lather with the brush on my cheeck. and kept trying. and kept trying for about ten minutes. I could not build a lather, it looked like plaster of paris was solidifying on my jaw. I added more water, adjusted pressure, puffed out my cheeks, nothing seemed to work. It was kind of a let down.

My arms were tired. Next was to actually shave, so I figured for the first use of this Merkur barber pole razor, I would only do the with the grain, whole face, single pass. Very dissapointing. I wanted to use the cheapy razor and just toss this one aside and write it up as a loss. It was a most uneven shave, and where the no-name razor shaved incredibly close almost instinctively, this one was lumbering and draggy. It was nowhere near the smoothness of even the disposable. I washed my face and put on some after shave balm and think I will try it again in the morning. As has been said here, there is a learning curve, and at least to me, that will be most of the fun. The cheapo razor has no fear it will be tossed though. Just retired until this one gets a fair shake with a couple different brands of blades and some variations in oils and soaps and after shaves.
 
My guess is that the water at the hotel was very hard, it could also be the brand of soap you got too, some are easier to lather than others. I have hard water here, but its not so hard that I can't get a lather using a good soap. It is hard enough that you have a hard time getting a clean rinse. I started using the water from the dehumidifier and have been having great shaves.

You don't mention what soaps and oils you bought, that is another thing to look at, because the oil could be preventing the lather too. If you follow a good pre shave routine (Hot shower, hot water, warm lather) you don't need the oil to get a good shave with a DE. Also try mixing the lather in a bowl or cup of some sort, once again some soaps lather better in a bowl.

Before giving up give some Proraso soap or cream a try. It may not have the fancy scents like some of the others but it lathers very easy, even with hard water. It is my everyday soap, but I like the menthol smell it has and the way it tingles the skin a bit.
 
No need to get down.

Try this. Find some Van Der Hagen LUXURY soap....not the deluxe....the luxury soap, scented is very nice but they make an unscented version.

http://www.amazon.com/Van-Hagen-Lux...AMIG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334668596&sr=8-1

That soap seems to be very easy to build incredible lather with. I bowl lather but found that I could also face lather with it very easy. I used a Tweezerman badger brush and was swimming in lather. It also provides a very slick shave. Very nice....luxury indeed. It gets better the second time you use the puck and I like to pre-soak my puck for a minute to help the lathering process.

This soap is dirt cheap too. I found it locally at Target. Not sure where you are but you can go to Target's web site and hunt stores for VDH products. It helps to enter "Van Derhagen" instead of Van Der Hagen to get an accurate search. It runs me about 3.99 a puck.

And your pre oil may be too thick. I have found that Shave Secret is a good, cheap pre-oil easily found at Walmart.

http://www.shavesecret.com/

Those two products will cost you less than ten bucks. Try a hot shower, Shave Secret, VDH soap and then a gentle touch with your Merkur and your results may improve drastically. Half the fun of wet shaving is trying different products and seeing what works/what doesn't.

I also use Thayer's witch hazel as an aftershave. The cucumber goes quite nicely with the VDH luxury scent. That will set you back an additional 8-10 bucks but it is worth it. Very soothing and great at healing skin.
 
I've been using VDH for a couple of weeks. I have a bowl with plain VDH molded into it and a mug with Old Spice and Curel added to the liquid while molding it into the mug.

Both lather up nicely despite my poor water quality.
 
Thanks! the soaps and oils bought, as well as the brush and razor were from "The Art Of Shaving " store. I bought the travel kit with brush, and the lady at the store did not know which razor I purchased, the Merkur 34c was there, But There was no designation on the razor, box or reciept for me to be sure. It is not a bad razor, I know it is a barber pole design, long handled and pretty heavy. The soaps and oils are liquid and come in pump bottles. The brush is badger, but the grade of badger I do not know. I did ask to not be sold the bottom of the line, but this came with the kit. I have a tube of "Burts Bees shaving cream as well, but get no joy from that as far as foaming it up yet. The lady at the store told me to rub an alum block on my face before shaving to make the skin tight, and I did, but it might be the reason I didn't get a smooth shave. No clue on how to use the alum for what it supposed to be used for, either. Do I break off a piece, or just rub the block on the wound? Lots to learn.
 
I was trying to get the lather worked up in my palm, and also right on the face. The next chance i get i will pick up a mug.
 
"Weepers" are actually little tiny spots of blood where no visible amount of skin has been cut, but there's still a tiny bit of blood. They usually wipe off without any further bleeding. At least that's my understanding of a weeper. A nick, on the other hand, is a spot of blood that persists in bleeding.

If you use a soap, you have to kind of swirl your brush around the puck for a little bit. I recommend lathering up in a bowl. Don't add much water. Swirl it and swirl it, and don't be afraid to push down and bend the bristles into the bowl. It will collect on the sides; just poke at it to get it in the middle and continue. If it seems kind of sticky, add a small amount of water.

A little trick I like to do at the end of making my lather is to "wring out" my brush of any cream or soap. Then re-lather what came out from wringing the brush. That gives me a smooth lather.

Like you, I was also quite disappointed on my first DE shave. It really is a different beast altogether compared to plastic 3/5/7 blade cartridges. The technique is just not the same. Just keep at it; you'll have to figure out what's best for your face.

One thing I will say is that stretching the skin doesn't always give me the best results. For example, under my jawline, the hair grows sideways. If I stretch the skin and shave in any direction except WTG, then I get mad cuts everywhere. However, if I go ATG while trying to touch my chin to my neck (making the skin loose), I get a close AND very comfortable shave with no problems whatsoever.

You'll just have to find what works best for you.
 
Back to basics, set aside the expensive soaps for a bit, you'll get back to them later once you figure out that lathering thing. The stuff you got was quality, but a drastic change to the products and methods you use like that takes anyone some time to figure out. For the time being it sounds like your main problem is the lather issue. I say get some VDH deluxe, 1.50 at walmart. I don't care if it's cheap, looks wierd, and doesn't always agree with people's noses. It lather's easily and it gives a damn good shave. You also won't feel guilty just practicing lather whipping with it.

Forget tutorials that say "keep adding water" I've been wetshaving with a brush and soap for 5 or 6 years, and was doing fine lathering on the puck with a wet brush until I got something I liked. I tried that whole "load soap with brush and add lots of water, the soap is thirsty!!!" and got some pretty crap shaves trying to follow that advice. Load a damp brush till it looks like shaving lather, swirl/paint it on your face, you'll know it's good if you can't feel the brush tips when you're painting it on (you'll probably feel them when swirling), and it stays stable for at least a couple minutes without dissapearing or going to paste on you. If it gets billowy and foamy you have too much water/not enough product. It might look neat in the bowl or on your face, but it's no good to shave with. Best to just wash it down the drain and start over again. Shave with a razor you're comfortable with. Once you get that setup worked out, change ONE THING a week at the most.
 
I bought the travel kit with brush,

the Merkur 34c was there, But There was no designation on the razor, box or reciept for me to be sure. It is not a bad razor, I know it is a barber pole design, long handled and pretty heavy. The soaps and oils are liquid and come in pump bottles. The brush is badger, but the grade of badger I do not know.

Is it this brush?

http://www.theartofshaving.com/Trav...gid=travel-tavel-kits&navid=travel-tavel-kits

I have one of their travel size brushes. I can't get much lather with it either.

This brush by Tweezerman puts out a ton of lather.

http://www.amazon.com/Tweezerman-2801-h-Mens-Shaving-Brush/dp/B000G647Y8

I also have a badger brush by VDH and it doesn't seem to put out as much lather as the Tweezerman. I also didn't get very good results with the pre shave oil that Art of Shaving makes. A bit too thick for my taste.

I have never tried an alum block so I can't comment on that. You would be well advised to get a Tweezerman brush for ten bucks and perhaps a puck of VDH deluxe or luxury soap and give it another go. I like to shower first and then when my face is wet and steam soaked, I start with Shave Secret and let that work it's magic on my face while I make the lather.

I use a pewter Revere bowl (footed ice cream sized bowl) that I found for cheap at an antiques store. I load the Tweez brush for about 30 seconds and then whip up the lather in the bowl for a couple of minutes. Like the others said, you can squeeze out lather out of the brush and then hit that with the brush and a small bit of water to increase the lather output.

Blade choice makes a difference to. What kind of blades are you using? I have good luck with Derbys and Astras. I'd be happy to send you some of each if you would like. PM me for that.

And the witch hazel aftershave is a great way to keep your skin healing while you learn. I like Thayers but the cheap stuff works good too. Thayers seems to work better for me though.
 
Another good kit is this one. Target sells them...some Targets. You can get on their website and find it at a store near you.

http://www.target.com/p/VAN-DERHAGEN-LUXURY-4PC-SHAVE-SET/-/A-13992942

The brush is decent, the soap is outstanding, and the apothecary mug is a dream for wet shaving. I have one and I love it. I had ordered one from Amazon and the mug broke during shipping. Found this at a Target in the next town to me.

Outstanding set.
 
Back
Top