André de Villiers swords: Experiences?

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The title says it all: Does anyone have experiences with the Japanese-styled swords made by South African maker André de Villiers? If they are the same quality as his folders, they might be a bargain at that price. http://www.knifemaker.co.za/sword.htm


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Dear Judge,

Did you buy it? I'm considering his sword among others: Criswell, Bugei katanas are in my range...but I can't afford Steve Corkum's, Howard Clark's or Wally Hayes' swords...I am similarly unsure if Andre's swords will be as good as his folders, which are known to be excellent...

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Dear Judge,

Did you buy it? I'm considering his sword among others: Criswell, Bugei katanas are in my range...but I can't afford Steve Corkum's, Howard Clark's or Wally Hayes' swords...I am similarly unsure if Andre's swords will be as good as his folders, which are known to be excellent...

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History is littered with the wars which everybody knew would never happen. ~Enoch Powell, Speech to the British Conservative Party Conference, 1967~
 
The blades are flat ground, and although that increases their cutting power, it also decreases the edge strength. Let me explain a bit...

The convexity of the blade is called 'niku'. Too much niku and the blade is very strong, but it won't cut as well as a blade with just the right amount of niku.

Not enough niku, as in flat ground blades, and the blade can cut very well but will have a higher probability of ending up with chips in the edge.
 
Thank you Kmark for your insights. Have you handled a de Villièrs sword, or know someone who has? What was your overall impression of the sword? I´d really be interested in people´s experiences test-cutting with these swords.
Adamant,
no, I haven´t bought any, sorry. If you consider a Criswell sword, it might be wise to wait a bit for the new Kris Cutlery products, someone doing tests for Cecil (Kris Cutlery) said they would be a very interesting.


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[This message has been edited by judge (edited 02-14-2001).]
 
Heya Kmark!

You're right, flatter-ground blades are more common these days for tameshigiri purposes as a flatter-ground blade makes it relatively easy to cut through the soft targets as opposed to requiring a tad more skill with a blade that's got some more meat to it. However, a blade with some niku (not even very much) have a dramatically greater chance of surviving hard targets and poor technique.

As others have said also, the idea is adapting the sword to a more "sport" purpose.

I have tried contacting the maker in question some time ago, but have yet to receive a response.

I rather don't care too much for the comments about chopping tests. It is more of a put-off than anything else.

The pics don't tell much. The wrap looks somewhat odd, but that COULD just be the picture...shinogi looks to be in the right place, and the tip looks to be of OK shape. It may still be just the photo, but it almost looks like there could be a secondary bevel to the very edge. It may just be shadows playing around or it could be that the edge was touched up with a hone in the first pic so it's a bit shinier, but it almost looks like there's a secondary bevel there. I hope not.

Am also not too sure about the habaki's fit from the pics, and I won't comment on the finish but the saya looks like it has a metal koiguchi and no kurikata (knob for the sageo cord and to hold the saya in the belt...not really necessary, but on a $1000 "using sword" it would be a nice plus).

I'm just extracting these possibilities from the pictures...I would like to see the real thing and prove these possibilities wrong...or help change them if I'm right. Hard to do though when I apparently am not in contact with the maker.

Ahh well.

Shinryû.
 
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