Announcing new "Buy Sharp Forums" for all knife nuts!

[pm]

Howdy Knife Nuts!

This new forum was created for you, the knife enthusiast!

We would like to announce a new forum for folks to post listings to buy, sell, trade, WTB their knives and related gear. B.uy S.harp F.orums is now up and running. Some of us created this new forum due to public request. B.S.F. is a commerce specific forum, you may continue to visit this forum, BFC for all of the other knife discussions and related knife talk currently found here.

The Blade Forums has high i-net traffic and they have the right to charge for their classifieds. B.uy S.harp F.orums is simply offering another quality venue for anyone to post up their knives/gear to buy, sell, trade, or WTB. This way, you can double or even quadruple exposure by using the various knife forums on the web. B.S.F. is nothing fancy, just a place for regular knife folks, knife nuts, knife dealers , knife makers, etc to post up their listings for free.

For their paid services Blade Forums offers the most. Their classifieds have many cool "bells & whistles".

B.uy S.harp F.orums is just another place for folks to visit in conjunction with all the other knife related sites out here on the world wide web.

If you have not already checkout these other fine knife related sites.

www.microholics.com
www.knifeforums.com

Please link over and have a "look see"

<p align="center"><a href="http://www.knifecorner.com/buy-sharp/"><img src="http://207.171.251.48/images/buy-shrp-logo.jpg"alt="click here"><p align="center">CLICK HERE FOR BUY SHARP FORUMS</A>

www.knifecorner.com/buy-sharp/

-Come over & register

-Free classifieds for ALL! (now and forever)
-Buy, Sell, Trade, WTB knives and gear!
-Have fun!


Thank you.

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PATRICK YORK MA
TRIPLE AUGHT DESIGN

"Audaces Fortuna Iuvat"

www.tripleaughtdesign.com
Your best resource for the elite standard in edged tools & extreme gear.
velox@slip.net

 

[Boriqua]

Great to hear !! I was one of those that was very disappointed by the new system. I didnt bitch because when you play with someone elses ball you play by thier rules but the for sale forum not only was one of my favorite places to visit but for me anyway was more about fun then making money. I know some people were running businesses there but for me it was just about the back and forth trading and selling amongst the regulars. All the cool posted pictures and so on. I sold a few knives there over the course of my stay here and bought a few. ALways because another honey got my eye. I almost always sold my knives at a loss and never more than I paid. I traded with some people more than once and it was comfortable easy and more like trading baseball cards than anything else. WIth the new system its all business. Cold and distant. For that there is Ebay. Dont get me wrong I love bladeforums and read it twice three times a day. Thank you to Mike and spark for putting it up and maintaining it but thank you patrick for putting up a place for the free postings and some of the comraderie that had come with it. I got a randall for sale Ill put it up today.
ALex

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ALex

http://home.att.net./~a.boriqua

 

[DaveH]

Tip for clickers,

Make sure javascript is turned on,
it doesn't seem to take you past
the first screen with it off.

Dave

 

[MTF3]

I am having a problem dealing with this thread.

Is posting a thread on BF, were it is free, advertising another web site competing with Blade Forums a proper thing to do?

I noticed that the thread was started after midnight. Was the intent to get in as much free advertising time before it got shut down?

I maybe totally wrong and I hope I am. Did Mike Tuber give his blessing on posting this thread? I am not a seller, but I do buy knives. So it really doesn't affect me, but it does send a message.

 

[pm]

melvin,

nope, nothing as subversive and you have perceived, in fact mike himself has already taken the opportunity to places listings on the new forum. he was well awake and aware at the time in which we made this post.

this new forum is merely an addition to the ever growing network of knife sites. ALL associated and ALL somehow related.

melvin, take a minute and look back into history, observe and learn how mr. turber started this very own BFC.

-no, he did not ask "permission"
-yes, he started a new knife forum be cause he felt he could add something the cyberworld of knives.


if you feel like there needs to be some kind of restrictions to hinder the freedom to start new knife related forums, then i apologize for that feeling that somehow was evoked in you.

the new Buy Sharp Forums is for everyone to enjoy like any other forum on the internet.

please stop by and visit and maybe you might learn to like it and benefit from it. myself, mr. chuck cunningham, the association of custom knife makers, and dealers, all invite you(yup you, melvin) to take a look before you pass summary judgement.


thank you.

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PATRICK YORK MA
TRIPLE AUGHT DESIGN

"Audaces Fortuna Iuvat"

www.tripleaughtdesign.com
Your best resource for the elite standard in edged tools & extreme gear.
velox@slip.net

 

[MTF3]

Originally posted by MTF3:
I maybe totally wrong and I hope I am.

Good, I was wrong. I wish your new site well and might even visit it soon. In my own defense, I was remembering our phone conversation.

I am glad everything is fine. Please accept my apologies if I offended you.

Melvin

 

[1SKS]

The banner shown below uses a copyrighted WOW and 1SKS image. Please remove it from your site.

Our image

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Good luck on your new site. Plenty of room for everyone so every have fun!

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[lifter4Him]

Mike, I'm not connected with that site in any way nor have I seen it yet. Just curious how anyone other than Benchmade can copyright that image, or is it the knife on the blue oval design that is copyrighted?

And to all looking for the free ride on the other site, remember that if this site doesnt generate some income, it could dissapear

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Dave (Phil.4:13)
I Can Do All Things Through Him Who Strengthens Me

 

[Gollnick]

If you take a photograph of something, you own the copyright on that photograph of that object. (There can be legal complexities here when you get into things like taking a photograph of an original painting, but let's not go there. In this case, the picture includes Benchmade's copyrighted logo, so it does get a bit tricky.) The point is that if 1sks took that unique picture of that knife, then they certainly do own the copyright of that image.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com

 

[Kodiak PA]

Again, I do not think that most forumites have a problem with paying a small amount to BFC when we sell our knives. The problem is that no one seems to like the new system. It is not user friendly or enjoyable to use. Bottom line is that it is not fun to browse people are going elsewhere.

I love this site and have supported it but is there another way to have a classified section? If not, I understand but this is why I think these other sites are going up and or getting used.

Sincerely,

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~Greg Mete~
Kodiak Alaska

 

[Mike Turber]

The butterfly is a registered trademark and not a copyright. Different laws regarding those two issues. The picture is a WOW copyright and we frown upon the stealing of our images. No big deal as all they need to do is remove it.

I have many things on the drawing board for the future. They all cost money and if the site is not supported then I will not do them and I will apply my time and efforts elswhere. Simple math.

I read the other forums as well and I can read between the lines like anyone else. I was also forwarded some emails that were sent out to discredit our efforts here.

Everyone has the right to do as they choose. The amount of work that goes into a site this size is much more than I had originally planned on for expenses and it caught up with me in January. In February we had to make a decision to launch 1SKS. The auctions and the classifieds were launched as well. It will take time to build each of these and my efforts will be spent there to help defray the costs here.

The above post by Patrick is perhaps a slap in the face or maybe not. I have not talked to him about this so I am not sure. In his post at KFC he does not mention BladeForums or Microholics so it seems that the above is an attempt to drive traffic away from us.

I will analyze the situation more closely and decide on how to proceed. We don't view the other sites as competitors but it is obvious we are viewed that way.

BFC must now be viewed as a business venture. If it does not generate enough revenue and remains a liability for too long I will have no choice but to pull the plug. We are far from that at this point, but I will keep all of you informed on the way.

Any suggestions on what I should do with this thread?

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[Senator]

I agree, Greg. I don't mind supporting BF - I've probably purchased as many classifieds as anyone else - but the whole classified setup stinks IMO. There's got to be a better way...

Good luck to BSF. I've already joined up.

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Kelly
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Deo Vindice

 

[Boriqua]

I too have no problem with suporting something I enjoy this much. I pay for TV now. I dont mind because I get my use of it as I do this site. When "To The Point" was announced I subscribed before the first issue. Because I wanted to support the site not because I needed yet another magazine. When He posted that the idea didnt work and he would return the money to all who requested .... I didnt request. I just let go to operating expense. I guess what Im getting at is I dont mind payin but I want to pay for all the things that I enjoy and one of them was that Maybe stupid For sale forum. I would rather be charged an annual fee or quarterly just like I pay for a magazine subscription or cable tv. Just charge me a fee to have access to the site.

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ALex

http://home.att.net./~a.boriqua

 

[Gollnick]

Good point, Mike. As a Benchmade dealer, WOW and/or 1sks has a limited license from Benchmade to use and display Benchmade's various logos and the Benchmade name to promote 1sks. I doubt that B.S.F. has such a license. So, it is illegal for them to display Benchmade's trademark to promote their business (except in an incidental manner, e.g. a picture of a big pile of assorted knifes, one or two of which happen to be Benchmade, for example).

I know that many of us rip images of the web to use on our own personal sites and for other personal uses. Legally, we do this under a legal umbrella called "fair use". But, this case is different. B.S.F. is not really a personal website. This use of this image really doesn't fall under fair use. This is a common mistake that people who have made personal websites and so forth suddently decide to do something a little different. They assume that the same rules apply, but they don't legally or ethically.

Now, if the folks at B.S.F. just thoughtlessly ripped the picture off of 1sks's site, then I don't see this as anything to get to upset about. They've got to stop using the picture, of course, but I'm not going to hold this one small mistake against them. I'd just write it off as a case of someone learning the new rules as he moves into a different space.

But, I have a question: the image on 1sks's site has a "(c) Wow" in the lower left-hand corner. The banner does not. What happened to the copyright notice? If it was deliberately editted out of the image, then that's a much different matter. This is not just a case of a lazy webmaster carelessly ripping a picture he thought was public domain. This is not a case of somebody learning new rules. No. If a deliberate effort was made to remove the copyright notice, then they knew this was a copyrighted picture and they knew that taking it was not only illegal, but unethical as well. The copyright was removed to cover up the wrong. People who don't know that what they're doing is wrong, don't try to cover it up.

Some may say, "What's the big deal? It's just a picture. You throw the knife on the table, you get the old Brownie out, and you snap a couple of shots. We're not talking about some kind of artistic work that took the artist many hours and much creative effort to make. It's just a little picture."

Well, about a year ago I decided that I was tired of snapshots of my knives and I wanted to take better pictures. It's taken me a year, five hundred or more frames of film, hundreds and hundreds of dollars invested in equipment (and I already owned a pretty good camera), and lots and lots of work talking to other knife photographers (my thanks to all who have so generously shared their tips, tricks, and secrets with me), and I'm just starting to think that I'm doing pretty well. Not great, but pretty good.

Anyway, I know that taking good pictures of knives requires a lot of investment and a lot of hard work. I make mine as a hobby, for art. In several cases, I have allowed other people to use them. But, I've also got a bit sensitive about people ripping them and using them for their own purposes (such as when people use my pictures to promote their eBay sales).

But, this B.S.F case is different. It's not right to just rip somebody's work off the net and use it for your own gain. 1sks made that picture to promote its own business, not to promote B.S.F. and it's wrong of B.S.F. to usurp that image. If you decided to open a new "brick and mortar" knife shop (even if you weren't planning to make a profit off of it), you'd probably want some sort of a sign to promote your business. Would you just go down the street and pry the sign off of your competitor's shop and bolt it up above your new door? Of course not. The legal issue may be a little bit different here, but the ethical one is not. If B.S.F. wants to set up shop, they need to invest in their own graphics, just like 1sks did.

Personally, I like the new classifieds just because they are classified. I don't have to wade through dozens of ads looking for the specific items that interest me. I think many buyers will like the new classifieds.
It's buyers that ultimately matter. The seller may save a few pennies listing his knife at B.S.F., but if the buyers aren't looking there, he won't be able to sell it or will settle for less than the full potential price.

Bladeforums.com has more hits by more people per day than any other venue. There are more buyers here with more money in their pockets than at any other site. That's what Mike is selling you, access to the largest base of knife buyers in the world (and I kind you not, this is the largest base of knife buyers in the world). And he's selling it pretty cheap if you ask me.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com

 

[Mike Turber]

Thanks Chuck,

Very well put. The image from 1SKS is not just a simple snap shot. You hit the nail on the head with your description of how much effort goes into producing a quality image. The image above took about 1Hour or so to produce. That particualr image was scanned. Then the back ground was removed (tideous). Then a digital background was put in for effect and some clone brushing as well.

The image has our copyright on it and who ever origianlly stole it had to of seen it to remove it.

I will not make a stink about it. I just want it removed.

As for the classified section, it is here to stay as well as the auctions. Both need some work and we will make changes as we go along.

We paid big bucks for the software and we advertise in the magazines. Not too mention we are always at the top of the search engines and that takes more effort than people realize.

I have made my decision regarding BSF and I must view it as a competing site who is trying to take revenue away from this one. To view it any other way is not business like. Also I thank those of you who sent me emails regarding this subject.

If BSF wishes to promote their site here they can pay for a banner like everyone else. And since even they sell banners I am sure they understand the reasoning for my decision.

This thread is closed and the one in the exchange area will be deleted in a few moments.

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