Codger_64
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When I posted my 152OT research back in September of 2005, I had not yet been able to discern just when this style box was used.
Did it preceed the "Sharp Idea" box, or was it the later design with the "Sharp Idea" box being first?
Logic says that logos and slogans were added as time went by. Well, sometimes logic works, sometimes not.
"Reading the knife" didn't yield much information except that it had a later tang stamping. The blade is the usual plain grind, not the later hollow grind. It is also 1095HC carbon steel, not stainless. The change to stainless was approved as of July of 2001. So the assemblage is pre-July 2001.
"Reading the sheath" did not yield as much. It is the typical standard light russett sheath with handle retainer strap and small plain snap.
"Reading the Insert" proved much more productive. It is the #7007180709:
#7007180709 © 1998 Schrade Old Timer yellow/black text PRF#-EKA01-01(.com)
PRF (my own code) is the product registration form. The insert features the "flat flag/MADE IN THE U.S.A." logo on the front. I first see this circa 1998 and..voila! this sheet is copyrighted 1998. It also has the message from Wally, President of ISC. We know this postdates 1986 at least.
"Reading the Box" brought a slight surprise. Slogan "Proudly Made In The U.S.A." is seen on the front. I date this slogan use to circa 1988 (first use). The back side of the box had the surprise.
It has the "KNIVES AND TOOLS" added below the block logo. This one (with the text) dates to circa 1999.
So we can say with the authority of evidence that this style Old Timer box was in use circa 1998-2001. As you may remember, the boxes changed to the blue striped design in mid-2001.
1985-1998
1998-2001
2001-2002
2003-2004
I am sure that this is not the last word on this subject, and we will continue to find variations and exceptions, but this is as close as we have gotten so far.
Michael
Did it preceed the "Sharp Idea" box, or was it the later design with the "Sharp Idea" box being first?
Logic says that logos and slogans were added as time went by. Well, sometimes logic works, sometimes not.
"Reading the knife" didn't yield much information except that it had a later tang stamping. The blade is the usual plain grind, not the later hollow grind. It is also 1095HC carbon steel, not stainless. The change to stainless was approved as of July of 2001. So the assemblage is pre-July 2001.
"Reading the sheath" did not yield as much. It is the typical standard light russett sheath with handle retainer strap and small plain snap.
"Reading the Insert" proved much more productive. It is the #7007180709:
#7007180709 © 1998 Schrade Old Timer yellow/black text PRF#-EKA01-01(.com)
PRF (my own code) is the product registration form. The insert features the "flat flag/MADE IN THE U.S.A." logo on the front. I first see this circa 1998 and..voila! this sheet is copyrighted 1998. It also has the message from Wally, President of ISC. We know this postdates 1986 at least.
"Reading the Box" brought a slight surprise. Slogan "Proudly Made In The U.S.A." is seen on the front. I date this slogan use to circa 1988 (first use). The back side of the box had the surprise.
It has the "KNIVES AND TOOLS" added below the block logo. This one (with the text) dates to circa 1999.
So we can say with the authority of evidence that this style Old Timer box was in use circa 1998-2001. As you may remember, the boxes changed to the blue striped design in mid-2001.
1985-1998
1998-2001
2001-2002
2003-2004
I am sure that this is not the last word on this subject, and we will continue to find variations and exceptions, but this is as close as we have gotten so far.
Michael
